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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jeanne Steinem well we've got a

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great show for your neighbors I'm

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starting to sound like Long John Neville

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that's what he would say at the

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beginning of the show if you ever heard

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of Long John Neville he was a pioneer

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talk show host from the 1950s 60s and

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part of the 70s and his stock-in-trade

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included stuff on UFOs and the

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paranormal

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and he brought on all the people of its

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time so that's where I started with this

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thing anyway we've had discussions off

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and on on the para cast with regard to

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the possibility of a secret space

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program is that possible that we're

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investing billions or trillions of

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dollars sending men and women to the

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moon to Mars elsewhere but we don't

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account for it but maybe there's a

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source of where this money's coming from

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and Chris you posted something in the

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power cast forms that discusses

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something that's nothing unusual which

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is military waste rampant waste tens of

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billions of dollars being wasted on

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various programs such as new aircraft

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it's like all these big companies who

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build these things not a single one of

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them competent enough to come in at or

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under budget do you think this is where

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all these black projects are being

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funded Chris well I mean if you look at

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September 10th 2001 when Donald Rumsfeld

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announced the results of an audit that

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he had done upon becoming Secretary of

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Defense under george w bush made the

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incredible announcement that four point

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four trillion dollars was misplaced to

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the pentagon and the best they could

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figure is 2.2 trillion it had vanished

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so i mean that's a lot of money right

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there so I mean you could look at the

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Clinton

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and before for other examples of

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misappropriated funds and that sort of

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thing I'm always reminded of Richard

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solder combing through 30 years of

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defense appropriations bills looking for

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one penny of funding allocated for at

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the time he wrote underground bases and

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tunnel what is the government trying to

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hide at that time I think in the mid 90s

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there was 129 I think underground

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military facilities in need I remind

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everybody it's not cheap to create

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underground facilities and in all those

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appropriation bills that he combed

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through he could not find one cent of

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funding allocated for that purpose and

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we at the time we knew that we had over

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120 underground facilities so these

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people have carte blanche they have an

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open credit line

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the f-35 I mean go down the list of the

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original Osprey program you go down the

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list of just boondoggles and it's

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criminal in my estimation what has been

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going on with the unfettered

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purse-strings

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opened up for the Department of Defense

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and in in some ways I would think the

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intelligence agencies as well especially

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the National Reconnaissance Office NRO

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Defense Intelligence Agency the DIA

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these are these are alphabet agencies

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you don't ever hear much about but they

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get incredible amounts of money so you

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know besides obviously making particular

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corporations extremely good investments

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with a good dividend for their investors

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these programs are just basically their

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I don't really see much oversight on

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this and I'm sure if 2.2 trillion

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dollars can end up missing from the

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Pentagon and as announced a day before

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9/11 good-smelling

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it wouldn't surprise me in the least

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that some of this money is being

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siphoned off for you know who knows what

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purposes for breakaway space program

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military applications into space and

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it's the American people aren't going to

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take it for much longer

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there's gonna be hell to pay when that

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finding that little spark hits the hits

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the powder magazine of culture I think

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you know with this coming election it

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doesn't matter who wins the other half

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of the country is going to go ballistic

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and a mark my words this is not going to

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be fun it's not going to be pleasant and

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it's not going to be it's gonna be very

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very ugly and they better get their

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proverbial myrrh day together or there's

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gonna be hell to pay and you know what

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else can you say this is the point that

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we notice here is that this waste is

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going to private industry in every case

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private industry is benefiting and you

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have to think is Lockheed really

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throwing away all that money on your

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aircraft or are they sending all the

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secret projects in the private industry

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and you look at the various boondoggles

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over the years and I think of the line

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from the movie Independence Day from

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Judd Hirsch they first learned there is

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an area 51 and he makes a remark well

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you don't think they really spent $700

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on a toilet seat do you and that's

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approximately what he said that goes

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back to something that was real that at

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one time I think the Pentagon was paying

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what $700 for a toilet seat or some

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ridiculous feet and you have to think

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either there that's stupid how can they

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be that stupid

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no it's they think the American people

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are that stupid how much did we spend on

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a pen that was able to operate in zero

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gravity when all the Russians did was

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use a pencil well yes that too but I'm

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saying to you is maybe that is the

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smokescreen where they say they're

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spending $700 on our toilet seat they're

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spending $35 and the other $665 is going

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to some secret project well they're

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probably spending 74 and the other six

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hundred and sixty six dollars are going

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to some you know demonic you know secret

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black project again I think it's this

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can't continue

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57 I think percent of monies spent by

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the US government go

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to the into the military and sure it's

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one thing to have a you know strong

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defense you know to thwart any sort of

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attack on the homeland here but all

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these bases we have hundreds of bases on

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hill the countries and billions of

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dollars we send to Israel and into other

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countries we gotta start taking care of

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our own and you know maybe Arizona's

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rubbing off on me I'm starting to become

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an isolationist or something but I for

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mr. Trump right I know okay you know

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there is one person out there a comedian

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John Oliver did a thing about Trump and

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he decided to call him by his original

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name the family name before they changed

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yeah that's the sound he makes when

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somebody you know passes gas and there's

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his general direction is a ball this

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show is going downhill real fast folks

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but I will stop it right now I'll put a

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stop to it right now I think we should

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tell our listeners what we've got going

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for them this week and there's a book

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out there from a scholar from Scotland

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actually name of David Robertson and the

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book is called UFOs conspiracy theories

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and the New Age millennial conspiracism

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and this is a book that explores the New

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Age and conspiracy theories through the

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period from past the Cold War and he

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gives an introduction and he focuses on

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three figures that we know about

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particularly Whitley Strieber David Icke

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and David Wilcock now the only thing

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about this book I have to tell you right

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now it's currently available in a

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hardcover edition that costs 112 dollars

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in America for a book of fairly normal

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size there will be a low cost paperback

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version next year so if you like the

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book and you like the concepts

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the things that David Robertson is

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talking about don't feel constrained to

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have to buy the book today and spend a

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bundle of money wait till next year okay

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and this will focus on UFOs and all

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sorts of interesting things so I think

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we'll have a really pleasant discussion

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I have a few moments to talk to David

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earlier on before we did this show he

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sounds like a really nice guy so I think

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you'll really enjoy this again the book

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is UFOs conspiracy theories in the New

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Age millennial conspiracism what a

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phrase we got coming up next with Jean

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and Chris you're in the barrack ask

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conspiracy theories and the new age from

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there David Robertson and David speaking

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to us from his palatial estate not

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really his home well in scand we all

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live in castles in Scotland surely you

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know that right down the street from

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Sean Connery right actually Sean Connery

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did used to be a milkman in Edinburgh

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it's a famous famous story about him

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before he made the big time before it

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was mr. universe mr. universe but he was

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a runner up well well not to a lot of

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millions of women out there well he's

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number one in their book he's kind of

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one of Scotland's favorite sons that has

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to be said he looks good in the kill it

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does he looks good at most things to be

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honest people gonna wonder how we go

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from UFOs and conspiracy theories as

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Sean Connery

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but then he was in one of the Indiana

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Jones movies where they got into some of

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that stuff so I saw a cartoon on

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Facebook and it showed two Scotsman in

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kilts looking at the symbols of male and

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female on the doors of the the loos and

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and they were both the same and they

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were scratching they're trying to figure

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out which one they were supposed to go

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and of course they were dressed and

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killed so anyway I digress the way to

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tell the difference is that the women

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don't have beards that's okay hey well

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you know whatever keeps you nice and

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drafty David what attracted you of all

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subjects to UFOs what's your background

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my background is just a fairly ordinary

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working-class Scottish boy I didn't

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really

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have any great interest in UFOs I've

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certainly never seen a UFO but you know

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Scotland's got a rich kind of history of

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of odd things so there was always

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stories about the Loch Ness monster and

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I always loved those kind of you know

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paranormal kind of stories but when I

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went to university and start to do

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religious studies studying religion I

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came across the name of David Icke in

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and one of course about New Age

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religions and it reminded me of seeing

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him on the television when I was young

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when I was I think 15 maybe 16 when he

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did his famous interview with Terry

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Wogan the recently deceased Terry Wogan

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and I remembered seeing that as a boy

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and it all kind of came back to me so I

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started delving into his books a bit

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more but the same time I'd been reading

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a lot of Robert Anton Wilson stuff I'm

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sure you and your listeners will know

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who Robert Anton Wilson is right yeah

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yeah and he sort through him I got

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interested in conspiracy theories and

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then luckily you know I brought the two

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things back together and I realized well

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he there's a whole world about

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conspiracy theories and and you know

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kind of alternative religious beliefs

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that nobody's really looking at in any

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depth and so I started to do so and and

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found that it was pretty rich rich soil

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and the UFOs think Ana came later

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as I was delving more into this world

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meeting up on people like you know a

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David Icke Whitley Strieber David

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Wilcock Jim Mars chuck Missler all these

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various people I and I noticed the UFOs

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was this kind of common thread amongst

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all these different groups and that's

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that's where it came from really why

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have UFOs become as you say the common

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thread amongst all these people because

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if you cover people like a Jim Marrs

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mm-hmm

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you know he's conspiracies are us he's

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got a whole bunch of them

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same thing with Kent

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you know who can Thomas is right I

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actually don't but I will I will be

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finding out you got ya pair of politics

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steam shovel press yes conspiracy

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scholars I'm a yeah I know a steam

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shovel yeah absolutely

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okay the point being here is why does it

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all come down the UFOs even with the

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Kennedy assassination there's a UFO

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thing in there yeah it's I think there's

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a couple of reasons one reason is that

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there's always been these two different

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threads of UFO conspiracies and there's

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always been this kind of nuts-and-bolts

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side of it but there's also always been

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this spiritual version of it I mean as

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early as early as the you know the early

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1950s people are yeah but you know

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you're the contactees for instance is a

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very good example of that a little bit

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on George Adamski this because last week

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or two I actually got a letter from

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somebody who wanted to bring on the

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power cast an individual who was part of

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a George Adamski foundation now to show

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you my background I was a close friend

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of the late Jim Mosley who back in 1957

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did a really really solid expose of

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Adamski but you know advanced he wasn't

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just a guy who claimed to meet up with

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poor thon the silvery sooted spaceman in

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the desert he went back many years in

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his interests in mysticism and things

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like that yeah absolutely yeah many many

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if they're of the contactees did the the

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contactee movement really grows out of

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the the late Theosophical society the

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the UFO has become do you know about the

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idea of the hidden masters that the idea

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that these there are these sort of

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transcendent beings who are guiding the

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spiritual development of mankind on the

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earth Blavatsky yeah it comes from

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watski originally and originally they're

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sort of they're humans they're humans

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who live in places like Tibet but

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gradually they become sort of

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they're humans who have transcended the

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physical world completely and our you

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know basically become spiritual beings

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and gradually following you know 1947

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and Kenneth Arnold by the early 50s

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suddenly the the UFOs are the Masters

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and it's the same progress at the same

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progression you know from distant parts

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of our world to to Mars and Venus and

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then to you know different stars is

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exactly the same as the one that you

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were talking about last week actually

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which I listen to well you also have the

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rancher book and possibly a Lhasa P is

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that gene waspy philosophy I think and

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you know there are other sort of

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branches off that particular

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Theosophical tree that's one thing I

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share a quick quick little anecdote here

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it's gonna be a one minute anecdote I

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was on my way in 1976 hitchhike in

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upstate New York and I got picked up by

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a guy and a Beemer who hardly ever

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looked at the road the whole way up to

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Taconic Parkway which is just freak me

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out and he was going to a Theosophical

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weekend and then so I went up with I was

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with a friend and we went up there and I

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saw a little grey haired women with

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black cats on their shoulders there was

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a cloud over the mountain the whole time

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raining everywhere else it was clear I

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saw the headed nursing for New York

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University totally eradicated a case of

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nasty poison ivy weather kind of rubbing

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her the aura of the person that had been

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afflicted amazing weekend it left quite

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an impression on me and I I ended up

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doing quite a bit of research into the

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Theosophical society okay we've got more

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to cover the book is UFOs conspiracy

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Furies and the New Age with David

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Robertson and this is just gonna get

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theories and the new-age with David

605
00:28:05,020 --> 00:27:59,020
Robertson David with regard to Adamski

606
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:05,030
he was quoted in the saucer news expose

607
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:07,070
issue from Jim Mosley it's saying

608
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:08,570
sometimes you have to go through the

609
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back door to present the truth so I take

610
00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:16,030
it here that though I these people used

611
00:28:22,919 --> 00:28:20,840
alien UFOs as just a means to an end it

612
00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:22,929
was the best way to sell their message

613
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:26,750
by these people even the contactees yes

614
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:29,780
people like Adamski who had presented

615
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:32,510
their viewpoint in the mouths of others

616
00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:33,890
but now if everybody's talking about

617
00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:36,620
UFOs and we have the influence of movies

618
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:38,750
such as Day the Earth Stood Still if

619
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:41,270
people like that are presenting their

620
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:45,170
message does that make it easier to gain

621
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:47,510
acceptance well I guess it does by I

622
00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:49,610
said was this after he was kind of

623
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:51,830
debunked he said this because it sounds

624
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,660
to me like this sounds to me like a

625
00:28:58,299 --> 00:28:55,520
strategy for explaining away why he was

626
00:29:00,460 --> 00:28:58,309
lying well it does but he said this to

627
00:29:02,590 --> 00:29:00,470
one of his followers evidently right

628
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:02,600
right but it's not it's been widely

629
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:05,030
quoted and certainly the people who

630
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:06,890
still support Adamski after all these

631
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:08,900
years are not going to admit to that

632
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:12,410
phrase no of course not never and I mean

633
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:14,330
skee had a similar a similar thing

634
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:16,610
happened where the early messages from

635
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,600
the the masters were being the Society

636
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:23,360
for psychical research were on the case

637
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:24,830
and they thought they knew the trick

638
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:26,450
that was being done to produce them and

639
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:28,460
as part of the reason that she left

640
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:31,730
Britain because I'm more interested I

641
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:33,350
come from more of a religious studies

642
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:34,610
background where I'm more looking at the

643
00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:36,050
things that people say in the reasons

644
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:39,380
they say rather than the truth or

645
00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:41,690
otherwise of what they're saying from a

646
00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:44,180
you know from a physical point of view I

647
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:47,300
think there's both kinds of things going

648
00:29:52,330 --> 00:29:49,090
on I think sometimes people are just

649
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:52,340
jumping on the latest bandwagon I mean I

650
00:29:59,230 --> 00:29:56,170
think Adamski was certainly a bit of a

651
00:30:00,370 --> 00:29:59,240
Schumann and many respects and but there

652
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,380
are other people who I think are

653
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:03,440
completely genuine in that they think

654
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:07,850
they are getting these messages so I I

655
00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:09,470
think that the proportion of people who

656
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:12,860
are doing it merely to you know to get

657
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:14,870
their message through and deliberately

658
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:16,370
putting it in your language is

659
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:19,190
relatively small I would think certainly

660
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:20,810
something like David David Ickes a good

661
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:22,190
example of that I've been a lot of

662
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:24,830
people accuse him of of sort of coming

663
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:26,690
up with these elaborate theories just to

664
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:31,730
kind of sell boots labret theories he

665
00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:34,310
steals years of research that other

666
00:30:39,490 --> 00:30:37,280
people do and then he uses it picks and

667
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:39,500
me or cherry picks the data and then

668
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:41,420
presents it as its own there's an old

669
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:43,640
adage you know if you steal from one

670
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,410
person has played plagiarism if you

671
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:46,640
steal from a bunch of people it's

672
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:48,890
research I've I've seen him I've I've

673
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:51,890
sat there and watch them god I hate to

674
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:54,020
admit this I was forced to go by his

675
00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:56,180
ex-wife I had a front row seat and I was

676
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,070
in sunglasses so I could sleep but I

677
00:31:02,440 --> 00:30:59,600
ended up sitting there taking notes

678
00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:02,450
because I was trying to compile the list

679
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:04,040
of people that he stole there at their

680
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:06,530
work and and put his own stamp on it and

681
00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:09,160
and to me that's it's just inexcusable

682
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:12,860
yeah he's definitely a synthesist let's

683
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:15,260
group to put it politely we could say

684
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:17,180
that of course there's a long history of

685
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:20,450
the conspiracy world and a paranormal

686
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:22,460
world of people building consecutively

687
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:24,560
on other people's work but certainly yes

688
00:31:28,299 --> 00:31:26,090
he has been guilty of

689
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:28,309
right plagiarism and often there's stuff

690
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:30,590
in his books that's you know like I read

691
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:32,630
in our post and you don't get a referee

692
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:34,460
you don't get reference to what post it

693
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:37,250
was or who wrote it or anything and so

694
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:39,820
yeah definitely

695
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:43,720
moving on here using of course the UFO

696
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:48,080
medium to present these ideas conspiracy

697
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:51,140
theories in general is something that

698
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:53,090
seems to infect everybody because nobody

699
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:55,970
believes the explanation is presented

700
00:32:01,600 --> 00:31:57,890
for any event and Kennedy assassination

701
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:01,610
is the classic event where we can't

702
00:32:08,019 --> 00:32:05,110
believe that one lone gunman one fool

703
00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:08,029
who wants to fake it to the Soviet Union

704
00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:10,070
and came back here they can't believe

705
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:13,700
this guy did it it had to be the CIA it

706
00:32:18,190 --> 00:32:16,250
had to be the international bankers it

707
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:18,200
had to be organized crime it had to be

708
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:20,870
Johnson it had to be the space people I

709
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:25,490
don't know it all gets confused what is

710
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,460
there about these theories that gained

711
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:31,279
so much traction forgetting again about

712
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:34,100
whether they're real or not yeah I mean

713
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:35,330
I think you're absolutely right it's

714
00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:37,190
been said that you know that this the

715
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:39,860
size of the problem that we struggled to

716
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:41,570
come to terms with is what causes us to

717
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:43,820
look for you know these big conspiracies

718
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,010
I mean the Kennedy assassination is a

719
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:47,840
very good example clearly for a lot of

720
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:51,980
people it is easier to accept that there

721
00:32:55,659 --> 00:32:54,289
is a secret group of people who run the

722
00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:55,669
world and yet they've never heard of

723
00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:57,500
them and nobody knows about them then it

724
00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:00,710
is to accept that this one mad guy came

725
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:02,630
back from Russia and shot him on his own

726
00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:04,429
got a lot you know a lucky couple of

727
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:07,460
shots but there's I mean there's a lot

728
00:33:13,539 --> 00:33:09,529
of reasons I think partly it's it's to

729
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:13,549
provide connecting explanations but also

730
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:16,190
I think there's as you say an increasing

731
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:21,049
kind of distrust of of mainstream

732
00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:22,340
narratives if you want to put it that

733
00:33:30,659 --> 00:33:25,580
way you know of hegemonic control over

734
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:30,669
over knowledge you know the French

735
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,100
philosopher and theorist brilliant or as

736
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:36,559
pointed this out that in fact the logic

737
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,360
of conspiracy

738
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:41,120
Sirius theorists and is almost

739
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,800
indistinguishable from a sort of

740
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:44,870
popularized version of Marxist theory

741
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:48,160
right it's it's it's critical theory

742
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:52,220
made popularized basically so instead of

743
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,350
it being the the bourgeoisie who are you

744
00:34:01,090 --> 00:33:58,880
know the people who own the wealth it's

745
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:01,100
it's the Illuminati or you know the John

746
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:04,310
Birch Society or whoever so I mean I

747
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,170
think that's part of it is an increasing

748
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:08,960
awareness of people that there is

749
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:11,450
perhaps more issues of power and control

750
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:14,030
going on and in what we accept as true

751
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:17,300
and yet they lack the critical faculties

752
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:21,440
to judge evidence properly as you said

753
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:22,490
this last week and you were talking

754
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:25,600
about a dam skiing and you know that

755
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:27,470
they just didn't know the difference

756
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:33,080
between a fact and a belief but I think

757
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:37,670
there's also a theodicy is an important

758
00:34:40,450 --> 00:34:39,170
idea that I mean it's a kind of

759
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:40,460
religious studies term but it's

760
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,650
basically the simple way of putting it

761
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,960
is you know why do bad things happen to

762
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,760
good people

763
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:48,320
conspiracies offer a very good

764
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:49,490
explanation for that

765
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:51,710
well the world isn't fair in the world

766
00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:55,940
isn't peaceful and loving because some

767
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,030
bad people made it that way it helps to

768
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:02,960
explain the iniquities of the world I

769
00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:05,900
guess now to be fair about the Kennedy

770
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:08,540
assassination a congressional committee

771
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:11,690
some years later did conclude that a

772
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,670
conspiracy was involved but that was the

773
00:35:18,610 --> 00:35:15,920
end of it they never really explored

774
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:18,620
that conspiracy right I mean that's

775
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:21,050
absolutely true but most people don't

776
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:22,760
point out that there were several other

777
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:24,920
congressional hearings with all of which

778
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:27,350
were in favor of the loan the long

779
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:29,450
shooter one said there was a probable

780
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:31,580
conspiracy in that several other I think

781
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:32,860
there was about five or six in total

782
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:35,390
well that's the case here's where if you

783
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,930
have five choices and the one that

784
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:40,670
sounds simplest you say I don't want

785
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:43,220
that one I want the other four or vice

786
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:46,070
versa but right yeah and I mean can in

787
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:48,050
creating these large conspiracy

788
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:49,970
narratives that's often the case you

789
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:51,070
know people will go

790
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:53,770
years here's a fact but taken out of

791
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:56,080
context so in that one you can say oh

792
00:35:59,850 --> 00:35:57,940
well you know this congressional hearing

793
00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:59,860
found there likely was but actually if

794
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:01,720
you take the whole lot set of data on

795
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:04,450
balance but it's it's outnumbered five

796
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:07,030
you know five to one it's the same as

797
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:09,970
when david icke says that all science

798
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:12,370
that says that they you know the

799
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:14,170
physical world is all there is

800
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:16,030
it's nonsense but then one person

801
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:17,710
publishes a paper that says the world's

802
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:21,430
a hologram and this is proof absolute

803
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:22,750
proof it's it's a lack of understanding

804
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,630
how knowledge is produced and how you

805
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:26,800
know as you said the difference between

806
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:28,990
a fact and the belief you can connect

807
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:30,940
dots all you like but when you get to

808
00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:32,680
choose what the dots are it's the Bible

809
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,740
code all over again we've got David

810
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:38,320
Robertson with gene and Chris you're in

811
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:40,750
looper accursed

812
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[Music]

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we're talking about UFOs conspiracy

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theories and the new age with the author

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David Robertson Chris I think is as you

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were pointing out at the end of the

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segment there is a growing lack of

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critical thinking I think among the

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average people out there I think we're

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seeing scientism and materialism and and

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uber rationalism has has become so ivory

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tower in nature that the people are

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losing a connection to the state of the

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art and scientific community let's say

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or how governments are run or some of

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the problems that we have around the

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world and in people instead of getting

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doing the work and getting themselves up

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to speed and and being informed and

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educated about about issues their eyes

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glaze over and you know they let their

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TV kind of suggest how they're supposed

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to think about particular controversies

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or or subject matter and and I think

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it's a dumbing down of the population I

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think myself that it's being done on

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00:42:31,569 --> 00:42:28,309
purpose I think people that are

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attempting to do serious research are

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being marginalized and being cast

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amongst the great unwashed no uninformed

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masses who are absolutely there they're

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more concerned about you know getting

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selfies of themselves every other minute

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it's just you know the last two words I

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think added to the English language were

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selfie and twerking I think that that

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kind of gives an indication of of where

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the culture is going there is something

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to Mark Mothersbaugh and Andrew Kissel's

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Devo that the evolution of the boogie

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man or whatever I think we are seeing

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yeah evolution

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I absolutely agree with you that the

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media is designed to not make us

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questioning or challenging absolutely

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and I don't know if we're the masses are

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any more dumb than they ever were to be

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honest they just have more of a voice

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now perhaps

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but there's also there's there's issues

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things like the way that the the

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Internet is going I mean the internet

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was supposed to be the great liberator

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of information but the in fact it's

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actually narrowing our encounters with

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uncomfortable facts I mean Facebook's a

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00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:44,760
very good example of this right we

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subscribe to publications and and people

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that we like and we come into contact

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with those with what they share over and

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over again and very seldom do we come

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into contact with something from outside

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that circle so we get this increasing

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kind of epistemic you know limitation

984
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:05,640
exactly we're it's like we're in an echo

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00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:07,830
chamber right we hear our beliefs being

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00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,360
told to us again and again and we're

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given that evidence but we're not given

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anything that counters it because that

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isn't you know what we're following and

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sharing so I think that there's more

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polarization along those lines it's a

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large part of the problem

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good good point I think people tend to

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unfriend people on Facebook if they even

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get a whiff of some sort of point of

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view or I don't know something it just

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runs counter to their particular beliefs

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and their particular conclusions and

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people tend to feel more comfortable

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when they're surrounded by the echo of

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the echo chamber as opposed to really

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breaking through that and attempting to

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be educated on all sides of a particular

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issue or a subject or you know looking

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at different points of view within when

1006
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academia addresses a subject or a

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scientific community I think that it's

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becoming so specialized in terms of

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science and academia and politics these

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things have become so so specialized and

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so stove-piped

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that people have a hard time breaking

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00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,460
through that let's let's face it you

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know I mean you're putting two young

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kids to bed and you're on a radio show

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you know and late evening there you

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00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,450
could be doing something different but

1018
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no you're you're actually getting out

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00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,940
there you're getting the message out

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you're you're trying to explain to

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00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:32,760
people that hey there's more than one

1022
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:34,620
way to look at things but I think

1023
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people's natural inclination is they

1024
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,740
don't want to they're there to either

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00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:40,140
there to to over

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to board they're too dumb not to know

1027
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that they should be doing that even and

1028
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:47,940
and I think it's it's it's a snowball

1029
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:50,940
going down the hill and I don't unless

1030
00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:55,290
it hits a big one I totally agree I

1031
00:46:00,020 --> 00:45:57,360
totally agree with you I think I think

1032
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:00,030
academia share some of the the

1033
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:01,410
responsibility for that

1034
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:03,960
I mean academics are generally terrible

1035
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:05,610
at communicating with people and

1036
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:07,470
especially with communicating with

1037
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:08,940
people from outside their own their

1038
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:10,590
discipline they make very little effort

1039
00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:14,130
to to tell the average person in the

1040
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,340
street or um or even you know through

1041
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,500
journalism or whatever and why their

1042
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:21,780
work is important and why the position

1043
00:46:27,830 --> 00:46:25,170
that that we look at things from also

1044
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:27,840
should have a place at the table and and

1045
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:31,470
I think that means the academic work is

1046
00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:34,350
and when you do get academic work which

1047
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:37,230
might be of interest its kind of ignored

1048
00:46:42,380 --> 00:46:41,160
right because it becomes impenetrable

1049
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:42,390
because they're only speaking to other

1050
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:43,890
academics and not interested and

1051
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:46,350
speaking to members of the public well

1052
00:46:52,220 --> 00:46:49,980
into compound the problem academia tends

1053
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:52,230
to become need your conservative

1054
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:54,150
everybody's too afraid to stick their

1055
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,330
necks out and run counter to prevailing

1056
00:47:01,940 --> 00:46:59,640
thought and theories that have already

1057
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:01,950
been accepted by by the mainstream of

1058
00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:04,830
their disciplines so it's it's it's much

1059
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,320
harder now I think for out-of-the-box

1060
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:08,880
thinkers within a particular scientific

1061
00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:11,070
discipline and this runs across the

1062
00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:12,360
board through culture it's not only

1063
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:15,600
science it's on the academia or you know

1064
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:17,430
you have a perfect example in politics

1065
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:19,500
going on right now here in this country

1066
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:22,530
it's you know something's got to change

1067
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:24,930
people have got to wake up and they've

1068
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:28,350
got to take the time to become informed

1069
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:30,770
and and I just don't see that happening

1070
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,140
unfortunately no at the last I mean a

1071
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:36,000
couple of generations in Britain there's

1072
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:37,350
been a real move away for and you know

1073
00:47:42,110 --> 00:47:39,240
the post-war period that the working

1074
00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:42,120
class had a real desire to educate

1075
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,750
themselves and you know to be involved

1076
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:47,760
in the political situation and reform

1077
00:47:51,790 --> 00:47:50,490
the country and to make it a favorite

1078
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:51,800
place and

1079
00:47:56,170 --> 00:47:54,260
it's been lost now there's a real anti

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intellectualism and I mean the same

1081
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,750
thing in the states I'm sure a real sort

1082
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,970
of feeling of not being able to do

1083
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:04,160
anything anyway so why bother let's just

1084
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:08,390
you know let's just watch you know game

1085
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:10,760
shows are watched television programs of

1086
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:15,190
other people watching television and

1087
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:19,340
again even compound things even even to

1088
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:22,690
the nth degree here it's it's a

1089
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:26,570
self-perpetuating feedback loop like a

1090
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,300
fractal is going in on itself and and

1091
00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:31,490
the worse it gets the worse it gets and

1092
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:36,020
people I think they just they just do

1093
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,640
something in a lot of people just

1094
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:39,680
there's a switch that gets clicked off

1095
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:42,530
and so what you have is a lot of people

1096
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:45,080
that are that are being overwhelmed by

1097
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:47,330
the fact that they're not up to speed on

1098
00:48:51,730 --> 00:48:49,190
things and then somebody can come along

1099
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:51,740
and and put things together in a way

1100
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:53,660
that sort of resonates with within their

1101
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,570
own minds whether it's conspiratorial in

1102
00:49:00,370 --> 00:48:58,160
nature whether it's spiritual and

1103
00:49:04,690 --> 00:49:00,380
religious in nature and then they they

1104
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:04,700
will jump into that particular you know

1105
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:07,910
person's trip if you will for lack of a

1106
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,490
better word in and buy into it more

1107
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:12,200
readily as opposed to being a little bit

1108
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:14,210
more circumspect and and sitting back

1109
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:15,050
going we'll wait a minute

1110
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:16,940
this doesn't quite ring true this

1111
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:19,160
doesn't quite ring true they just accept

1112
00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:20,690
everything lock stock and barrel and I

1113
00:49:24,250 --> 00:49:22,460
think it's it's it's intellectual

1114
00:49:28,330 --> 00:49:24,260
laziness really is what it boils down to

1115
00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:28,340
I really do I you know I just online I'm

1116
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:32,300
constantly seeing you know you're trying

1117
00:49:36,340 --> 00:49:34,760
to educate somebody about something and

1118
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:36,350
they just want to hear about it it's

1119
00:49:39,850 --> 00:49:38,120
like how dare you you think that I'm

1120
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:39,860
wrong now let's show you how this has

1121
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:42,290
really pervade our popular culture our

1122
00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:45,410
condition there is a TV show a comic

1123
00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:48,620
book TV show where the villain engages

1124
00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:51,830
in a plot to take over the memories

1125
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:54,080
control the memories of everybody living

1126
00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:57,020
in the city in which these events take

1127
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:00,140
place and his logic is a populace more

1128
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:02,380
interested in reality stars and

1129
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:04,750
political circuses the

1130
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:06,700
working together to solve the world's

1131
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:08,860
problems that sounds like a smart

1132
00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:10,900
statement which it is but believe you

1133
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:13,000
and I that came from last week's episode

1134
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,900
of Supergirl right well Siegel and

1135
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:19,440
Shuster who came up with Superman and

1136
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:22,630
which all the sort of Super Man family

1137
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:25,260
characters are based on were both Jewish

1138
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:28,470
well what's that you know em agrees from

1139
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:32,890
Nazi Germany so there's the it's not

1140
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:36,340
surprising that themes of the echo kind

1141
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:40,090
of the you know Goebbels use of

1142
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:41,950
propaganda and things like that are are

1143
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,530
found in those comics I mean just like

1144
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:47,440
the name Superman coming from Nietzsche

1145
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:51,010
for instance the fact that they are

1146
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:54,130
reflecting popular culture is I think

1147
00:50:58,290 --> 00:50:56,140
they were they were critiquing the the

1148
00:51:00,180 --> 00:50:58,300
the control of popular culture by the

1149
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:00,190
media in order to control them it's

1150
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:02,890
definitely something that they very much

1151
00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:07,810
saw as deeply tied to the Nazi regime

1152
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:09,880
and that wasn't the case in America and

1153
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:11,020
that's why they were kind of critiquing

1154
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:14,110
it we have David Robertson we're talking

1155
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:16,510
about UFOs conspiracy theories and the

1156
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:19,360
New Age and in the book he focuses as we

1157
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:21,400
pointed out on several individuals

1158
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:23,500
including Whitley Strieber

1159
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:25,510
and since we had witless trooper on the

1160
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:27,190
power cast for the very first time a few

1161
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:29,320
weeks ago I thought we talked more about

1162
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:31,450
that with David our next segment with

1163
00:51:47,530 --> 00:51:43,730
thank you for listening to GCN

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intelligence officer is haunted by

1170
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1171
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1172
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:06,540
battle in outer space but the dreams

1173
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:08,580
turned out to be true and thrust him

1174
00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:10,260
into a telepathic love affair with a

1175
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woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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1192
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group life insurance policy but is

1193
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1194
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namaste welcome back to the paranormal

1215
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:12,230
radio now here's Jane Steinberg so david

1216
00:54:17,799 --> 00:54:15,250
robertson why did you choose these three

1217
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:17,809
individuals to focus in doing this book

1218
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:19,970
partly because they were each very good

1219
00:54:26,789 --> 00:54:23,410
examples of you know conspiracy

1220
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:26,799
spirituality and ufos mix it together

1221
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:29,000
partly because i wanted to get a spread

1222
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,329
of the US and the UK i had at one point

1223
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:34,640
tried to get a european case but i

1224
00:54:37,390 --> 00:54:35,750
couldn't get that one to work

1225
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:37,400
unfortunately so i went with another

1226
00:54:44,140 --> 00:54:41,150
american case also because the three of

1227
00:54:47,279 --> 00:54:44,150
them being their main careers are in

1228
00:54:50,589 --> 00:54:47,289
different decades so i allowed me to

1229
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:50,599
construct a narrative through the book

1230
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,020
that ran all the way from 1947 and then

1231
00:54:58,089 --> 00:54:56,240
in much more detail following the Cold

1232
00:55:01,359 --> 00:54:58,099
War through Whitley Strieber

1233
00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:01,369
in the 80s and David Icke in the 90s and

1234
00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:04,460
then Wilcock in the 2000s so that we

1235
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:06,260
moved from the Cold War up into the

1236
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:08,569
present day and we were able to see the

1237
00:55:13,569 --> 00:55:11,150
way that the ideas developed and became

1238
00:55:16,029 --> 00:55:13,579
more entrenched over time so that was

1239
00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:16,039
that was the main reason okay so with

1240
00:55:20,289 --> 00:55:18,020
this three Burt we were talking here

1241
00:55:23,319 --> 00:55:20,299
about someone who writes horror fiction

1242
00:55:26,109 --> 00:55:23,329
and science fiction and then he claims

1243
00:55:29,230 --> 00:55:26,119
to be in touch with his visitors that

1244
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:29,240
these visitors abducted him but he

1245
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,510
doesn't go as far as to say yes this is

1246
00:55:38,829 --> 00:55:35,359
et he stays one step removed for that

1247
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:38,839
you figure it out right yeah I I mean

1248
00:55:42,849 --> 00:55:40,910
even in communion he gives six

1249
00:55:44,350 --> 00:55:42,859
possibilities of which extraterrestrials

1250
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:44,360
are only one

1251
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:48,650
and he never officially states that they

1252
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:51,110
are and I've never spoken to him in

1253
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:53,390
person I've seen him talk events I've

1254
00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:55,850
read certainly all of his non-fiction

1255
00:55:59,800 --> 00:55:58,040
books and he's I've never come across

1256
00:56:03,160 --> 00:55:59,810
the statement where he says that that's

1257
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:03,170
what they are but he nonetheless became

1258
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:05,770
became kind of a poster boy of the

1259
00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:08,510
abductee movement at least in the

1260
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:12,380
popular eye and so I think he always had

1261
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:16,010
this mixed relationship with the idea

1262
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:17,950
sometimes he seems to be quite

1263
00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:19,880
disappointed that everybody thinks it's

1264
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:21,350
extraterrestrials but on other occasions

1265
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:23,210
he seemed quite happy to cash in on it

1266
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:25,970
so for instance you get they the bookie

1267
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:27,830
rule about what would be needed for us

1268
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,740
to prove that there was extraterrestrial

1269
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,240
life visiting the planet for instance

1270
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:34,720
and all of his books have that same

1271
00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:37,760
classic grey alien face on them the

1272
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:40,430
entire sort of communion series of about

1273
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:44,390
six or seven books so he is deeply he

1274
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,550
knows that his public persona is deeply

1275
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,680
tied to that extraterrestrial idea and

1276
00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:50,960
yet I don't think he himself thinks

1277
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:53,900
that's what it was I think he thinks of

1278
00:57:00,640 --> 00:56:57,530
a much more sort of paranormal terms I

1279
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,650
guess no you know he told us that one of

1280
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:02,960
his biggest regrets was ever talking

1281
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:06,200
about anal probes that it's just been

1282
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:08,890
the bane of his existence and right

1283
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:12,170
comedians especially have latched on to

1284
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:16,040
that and and it you know I think he

1285
00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:18,550
should use McKenna's term of pro bono

1286
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:21,640
proctologist doing uninvited house calls

1287
00:57:27,310 --> 00:57:25,040
right yeah strangely in the last book

1288
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:27,320
they're solving the communion enigma he

1289
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:30,890
refers to it unambiguously as rape which

1290
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:34,400
I find quite striking so many years

1291
00:57:38,980 --> 00:57:36,710
later and actually at the dreamland

1292
00:57:41,830 --> 00:57:38,990
event that I was I he referred to there

1293
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:41,840
being you know still physical damage and

1294
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:44,780
so you know maybe he doesn't regret

1295
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:47,030
talking about her but he's continuing to

1296
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:50,390
do so so again you get this mixed

1297
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:53,360
message that on the one hand he's kind

1298
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:55,220
of unhappy about or that you know he

1299
00:57:57,819 --> 00:57:56,660
wishes he never shared his his

1300
00:57:59,890 --> 00:57:57,829
experiences but on the other

1301
00:58:01,870 --> 00:57:59,900
and he consistently talks about it and

1302
00:58:03,999 --> 00:58:01,880
writes book after book after book about

1303
00:58:06,099 --> 00:58:04,009
it and even most of his fiction draws

1304
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:06,109
from the same well you know

1305
00:58:10,509 --> 00:58:08,089
well maybe the title of his books the

1306
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,519
secret life maybe there's something we

1307
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:12,319
should read in between the lines there

1308
00:58:21,009 --> 00:58:16,640
maybe all right maybe he was a

1309
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:21,019
switch-hitter in a former of course I'm

1310
00:58:29,799 --> 00:58:24,200
trying to be funny here it's not working

1311
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:29,809
jeans not laughing so a couple of Ho Hos

1312
00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:35,150
I certainly have no I think he believes

1313
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:36,859
what he's saying I don't see any

1314
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:40,130
dishonesty in him that's a very

1315
00:58:44,019 --> 00:58:41,349
different thing from saying I believe

1316
00:58:47,499 --> 00:58:44,029
boy said actually happened of course but

1317
00:58:51,729 --> 00:58:47,509
I think he is sincere ok that's one

1318
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,739
point here you feel that he believes he

1319
00:58:56,349 --> 00:58:54,319
had some kind of experience that is

1320
00:58:59,170 --> 00:58:56,359
pretty much what he's saying

1321
00:59:00,759 --> 00:58:59,180
he didn't make it up yeah books no I

1322
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:00,769
don't think he did make up to sell boots

1323
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:04,160
no I think he may have it may be more

1324
00:59:09,009 --> 00:59:07,130
elaborated upon later on not consciously

1325
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:09,019
but I mean obviously he's making money

1326
00:59:14,259 --> 00:59:11,630
from going into ever more detail about

1327
00:59:15,939 --> 00:59:14,269
it I mean that's a natural process the

1328
00:59:17,949 --> 00:59:15,949
more we go over memories it's you know

1329
00:59:19,479 --> 00:59:17,959
psychologists have proven that your your

1330
00:59:21,549 --> 00:59:19,489
memories become more and more elaborate

1331
00:59:25,029 --> 00:59:21,559
over time but nonetheless I do think

1332
00:59:28,089 --> 00:59:25,039
that something happened to him or he had

1333
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:28,099
an experience which he you know he

1334
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:29,630
believes he had an experience of some

1335
00:59:34,059 --> 00:59:32,209
kind I actually quite like the fact that

1336
00:59:35,799 --> 00:59:34,069
he's still quite vague about a lot of it

1337
00:59:37,329 --> 00:59:35,809
I mean it does sure that he's kind of

1338
00:59:39,819 --> 00:59:37,339
slightly more thoughtful than some

1339
00:59:41,979 --> 00:59:39,829
people are because a lot of people are

1340
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:41,989
sort of telling you in great details

1341
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:43,190
that this is the exact thing that

1342
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,690
happened and the spaceship looked like

1343
00:59:47,469 --> 00:59:46,160
this and they were this kind of being it

1344
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:47,479
was for this reason then they give them

1345
00:59:50,890 --> 00:59:48,559
messages and all the rest

1346
00:59:53,319 --> 00:59:50,900
whereas he at least there is an element

1347
00:59:56,229 --> 00:59:53,329
of doubt they are about what exactly it

1348
01:00:00,749 --> 00:59:56,239
was that happened what's your feelings

1349
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:00,759
on that Chris why'd you drop yours in

1350
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:03,680
well I don't know what to think about

1351
01:00:09,999 --> 01:00:08,089
old Witt he he is one of the slipperiest

1352
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:10,009
characters I think we've ever had on the

1353
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:10,420
show

1354
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:11,890
trying to nail him down is like trying

1355
01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:14,710
to catch mercury trying to nail jello to

1356
01:00:20,849 --> 01:00:18,040
a wall he's had so many years and now

1357
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:20,859
decades of experience dodging around

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01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:22,930
questions answering questions with

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01:00:31,289 --> 01:00:26,500
questions he's very very slick in how he

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01:00:33,059 --> 01:00:31,299
presents his particular angst about he

1361
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,069
was an advertising executive before he

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01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:34,480
before he started writing fiction he was

1363
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,609
an advertising executive well he you

1364
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:38,319
know he knows which side the old books

1365
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:41,230
buttered on and to keep all his readers

1366
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:44,890
constantly on waiting to have that final

1367
01:00:49,799 --> 01:00:47,470
reveal is gonna do nothing more than

1368
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:49,809
sell books I think this last book of his

1369
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:52,089
was an attempt to be taken a little bit

1370
01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:54,490
more seriously by you know having a

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01:00:58,740 --> 01:00:57,670
bonafide academic car on board but still

1372
01:01:00,480 --> 01:00:58,750
I mean you read through the whole book

1373
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:00,490
and it's like why did I read this book

1374
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:03,180
and you really literally don't learn

1375
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:08,440
anything new all the days I haven't read

1376
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,530
it yet because I was gonna share a copy

1377
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:13,359
of mine with Jeff Crowe and he was gonna

1378
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:15,430
send me a copy of that once I haven't

1379
01:01:21,569 --> 01:01:19,690
actually read it yet but yeah I don't

1380
01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:21,579
expect to be any great revelation and I

1381
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:24,220
wouldn't have thought he's obsessed by

1382
01:01:28,109 --> 01:01:26,650
kind of getting academic credibility I

1383
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:28,119
think in a way that most people aren't

1384
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:31,390
it was it's a strange move on well it

1385
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,430
makes perfect sense that he would write

1386
01:01:36,359 --> 01:01:34,960
a book with an academic but it's it's

1387
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:36,369
not something that happens very often

1388
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:40,180
this field isn't so the key here though

1389
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:41,890
is that he believes something happened

1390
01:01:47,309 --> 01:01:43,930
to him but if we're putting this in

1391
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:47,319
perspective is this what he had happened

1392
01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:48,910
to him similar to what these other

1393
01:01:56,220 --> 01:01:51,880
abductions are or are they just taking

1394
01:01:59,069 --> 01:01:56,230
his experience and coloring theirs in

1395
01:02:01,940 --> 01:01:59,079
the same framework it's kind of a

1396
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:01,950
chicken or the egg type of thing yes

1397
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:04,930
it's really really difficult to answer

1398
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:07,839
that question you have to go back to you

1399
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:09,220
know to the original contact these

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Daniel Frye George Howe Williamson

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Adamski Truman bathroom one of my

1402
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:17,740
favorite abductee Laura contactees who I

1403
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:21,130
think there's more evidence to support

1404
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:23,089
that the Truman bathroom

1405
01:02:29,289 --> 01:02:26,420
saga was legit than any of the others

1406
01:02:31,450 --> 01:02:29,299
from the 50s to my to my you know in my

1407
01:02:34,329 --> 01:02:31,460
opinion George Van Tassel the you know

1408
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:34,339
the whole bunch of them but I I think

1409
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:37,729
that that what came up with a very very

1410
01:02:45,339 --> 01:02:42,950
marketable subject to dive into a

1411
01:02:49,509 --> 01:02:45,349
legitimate or not whether it's true or

1412
01:02:51,969 --> 01:02:49,519
not and I think he's just you know he's

1413
01:02:54,339 --> 01:02:51,979
just taking it and and run with it and

1414
01:02:57,009 --> 01:02:54,349
my favorite book actually is majestic

1415
01:02:59,739 --> 01:02:57,019
which is the one book in this particular

1416
01:03:02,079 --> 01:02:59,749
genre that he wrote that's not that's on

1417
01:03:07,059 --> 01:03:02,089
fiction or this fiction rather that's

1418
01:03:08,829 --> 01:03:07,069
that's novelized things two things there

1419
01:03:10,450 --> 01:03:08,839
the first is you got to remember that a

1420
01:03:13,870 --> 01:03:10,460
week before he had his experience there

1421
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:13,880
so that's in communion he had read a

1422
01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:15,890
book by Jenny Randall's which included a

1423
01:03:20,979 --> 01:03:19,190
description of an abduction like I don't

1424
01:03:24,579 --> 01:03:20,989
know which exact case it was off the top

1425
01:03:27,609 --> 01:03:24,589
of my head let's pursue that in our next

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:27,619
segment the book UFOs conspiracy

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theories in the New Age from david

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robertson and reminder again that if you

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speaking of abductions did you explore

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very much Barney and Betty Hill only a

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01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:09,460
little bit I I wanted to dive much more

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01:09:13,559 --> 01:09:11,410
into the abductee movement I was just I

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needed to keep focused on on this our

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central theme but obviously the Barney

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there the hills are important because

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01:09:23,250 --> 01:09:20,049
they're really the beginning of that

1568
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:23,260
sort of classic abduction story but

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:24,730
unfortunately there isn't any sort of

1570
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:27,130
conspiratorial aspect to it beyond that

1571
01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:29,890
so I didn't go too much into depth but

1572
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:32,350
it's it's an area of of the history that

1573
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:34,450
I'm hoping to go more into and in the

1574
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,700
future so what's your feeling in general

1575
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:39,520
about abductions really things happening

1576
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:41,230
to these people what's actually

1577
01:09:47,309 --> 01:09:43,960
happening to them I really have no idea

1578
01:09:51,539 --> 01:09:47,319
my suspicion is that it's a bunch of

1579
01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:51,549
different things but I think abduction

1580
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:55,630
like visits from Mary or any other kind

1581
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,280
of you know spiritual or visionary kind

1582
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:02,080
of things we've got to remember the

1583
01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:03,730
experience isn't something that happens

1584
01:10:06,990 --> 01:10:06,070
in real time experience is constructed

1585
01:10:10,050 --> 01:10:07,000
after the fact

1586
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:10,060
so whatever the phenomena that happened

1587
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:12,610
in these people's brains or in or around

1588
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:15,490
them or whatever is it gets turned into

1589
01:10:20,669 --> 01:10:19,330
abduction post hoc actually most most

1590
01:10:22,949 --> 01:10:20,679
abductees certainly in the

1591
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:22,959
modern period recovered memories are

1592
01:10:27,810 --> 01:10:24,420
involved in it it takes them a while

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before they begin to see themselves as

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having been abducted them and so

1595
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:32,889
basically I think it's in much this it's

1596
01:10:37,169 --> 01:10:34,630
much the same way as I think of the UFO

1597
01:10:40,109 --> 01:10:37,179
phenomena itself it's it's it's an

1598
01:10:42,929 --> 01:10:40,119
explanation that can be molded very

1599
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easily into to fit a range of different

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things so I I think it could be any

1601
01:10:50,069 --> 01:10:48,219
number of things that's at the root

1602
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:50,079
cause of it the important thing is that

1603
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within modern culture and you know going

1604
01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:55,599
back into the late 40s that this is a

1605
01:11:00,810 --> 01:10:58,150
framework that is available to people to

1606
01:11:02,879 --> 01:11:00,820
explain things that are anomalous so I

1607
01:11:05,609 --> 01:11:02,889
feel it's much more culturally generated

1608
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:05,619
than most people give it credit for so

1609
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:08,590
it's the culture rather than physical

1610
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:11,590
craft or alien beings that's involved

1611
01:11:16,379 --> 01:11:14,110
here that's my opinion yeah

1612
01:11:19,379 --> 01:11:16,389
I haven't really seen any evidence to

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the contrary so the the experience you

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01:11:24,270 --> 01:11:21,189
know be that a UFO sighting be an

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01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:24,280
abduction be it contact or whatever in

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01:11:30,029 --> 01:11:26,860
most cases will be sort of constructed

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01:11:32,489 --> 01:11:30,039
piecemeal after the fact to explain away

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:32,499
whatever the original or not anomalous

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01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,530
phenomena was there's in the the current

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01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,800
manual of the American Psychological

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01:11:43,739 --> 01:11:40,320
Association I think is the sixth edition

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01:11:47,009 --> 01:11:43,749
there's the entry for psychosis it

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01:11:48,739 --> 01:11:47,019
points out that it's if you have if

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01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:48,749
you're having visions or other

1625
01:11:54,839 --> 01:11:52,329
hallucinations and they fit with a

1626
01:11:57,299 --> 01:11:54,849
culturally accepted system then you're

1627
01:11:59,009 --> 01:11:57,309
not psychotic however if they don't fit

1628
01:12:01,259 --> 01:11:59,019
with a culturally accepted system then

1629
01:12:03,529 --> 01:12:01,269
you are psychotic okay oh now I'm in

1630
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:06,029
normally that's taken to it's taken to

1631
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:07,510
mean for instance if you have a vision

1632
01:12:11,819 --> 01:12:10,329
of Jesus or Mary and you go along to

1633
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:11,829
your local priest and they and they say

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01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:13,739
yes this makes perfect sense it all fits

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01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:16,030
then you're okay you're not gonna get

1636
01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:19,030
hospitalized or you know medicalised but

1637
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:20,199
if you go along and you say I've got

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01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:22,510
visited by you know a six-foot

1639
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:25,630
marshmallow man who poured jelly on my

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01:12:27,449 --> 01:12:26,050
head

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:27,459
then you're much more likely to end up

1642
01:12:31,469 --> 01:12:29,530
in a mental hospital now the abduction

1643
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:31,479
narrative is somewhere in between it's

1644
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:33,369
not maybe accepted by the mainstream but

1645
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:33,900
it's

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01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:36,560
a deeply embedded and well widely known

1647
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:40,320
explanation explanatory framework with a

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01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,050
fairly sizable population of people for

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01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:45,840
whom it's absolute fact so it's

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01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:49,070
available there and has a much more

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01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,500
comfortable relationship with with the

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,360
rest of culture if you use that

1653
01:12:58,399 --> 01:12:57,090
explanation we're talking about Western

1654
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:58,409
culture here I mean when was the last

1655
01:13:04,100 --> 01:12:59,940
time you heard about an abduction in

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01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:04,110
Thailand or China or the Miramar or

1657
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:07,860
parts of Africa it seems to be a Western

1658
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:10,949
phenomenon and I think though just

1659
01:13:17,959 --> 01:13:14,159
looking at the progression of of people

1660
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:17,969
claiming to somehow become in contact or

1661
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:20,810
in proximity of you know your typical

1662
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:24,510
Whitley's fever cover gray alien this

1663
01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:26,190
was exclusively an American phenomenon

1664
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:28,830
for quite a number of years and it was

1665
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:31,350
only until the media got a hold of it

1666
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,030
and and and the meme started to

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01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:35,340
propagate that you then slowly started

1668
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:37,590
to see things happen with descriptions

1669
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,370
of greys from South America I think

1670
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,199
would be a good one of the first places

1671
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:46,020
Puerto Rico and it's slowly like a virus

1672
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:48,210
kind of spread out from there and now

1673
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:51,000
it's fairly ubiquitous you can find that

1674
01:13:57,250 --> 01:13:53,190
that terminology pretty much anywhere in

1675
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:57,260
the Western world but it seems to be

1676
01:14:03,890 --> 01:13:59,940
correct me if I'm wrong almost

1677
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:03,900
exclusively a Western cultural meet if

1678
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:06,270
you will it certainly was

1679
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:07,860
you're quite right but the way that it

1680
01:14:12,169 --> 01:14:09,890
spread through the media yes absolutely

1681
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:12,179
are you saying that there there still

1682
01:14:17,899 --> 01:14:15,330
aren't very many cases of abduction or

1683
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:17,909
claimed cases of abduction in the India

1684
01:14:23,979 --> 01:14:21,510
or China today is absolutely none that

1685
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:23,989
I'm aware of and if there are some

1686
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:26,370
they're questionable and they come from

1687
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:29,130
questionable sources Mike I remember

1688
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:32,580
Michael Cohen who is one of the one of

1689
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:36,570
those questionable sources he I think a

1690
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:39,330
number of years ago focused on some

1691
01:14:43,330 --> 01:14:40,840
cases that

1692
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,340
we're from the Far East but there was

1693
01:14:50,169 --> 01:14:46,960
absolutely no credible you know

1694
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:50,179
corroborating witnesses or cooperating

1695
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,860
sources for these stories and they could

1696
01:14:57,850 --> 01:14:53,840
have been completely manufactured for

1697
01:15:00,209 --> 01:14:57,860
all we know I really don't see any of

1698
01:15:03,609 --> 01:15:00,219
these types of descriptions or

1699
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:03,619
experiences reported from let's say the

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01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:05,510
most populous country in the world

1701
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,900
there's what 3 billion Chinese now I

1702
01:15:12,549 --> 01:15:09,920
mean you would think if this was

1703
01:15:15,490 --> 01:15:12,559
something that was a real bona fide

1704
01:15:18,129 --> 01:15:15,500
nuts-and-bolts phenomenon that you'd at

1705
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,139
least be getting some reports credible

1706
01:15:24,759 --> 01:15:21,280
reports out of let's say you know the

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01:15:27,549 --> 01:15:24,769
Southeast Asia or anywhere in Asia and

1708
01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:27,559
they're just there aren't any yeah

1709
01:15:32,529 --> 01:15:29,119
absolutely I completely agree with you I

1710
01:15:34,839 --> 01:15:32,539
mean it's not only it's not only Western

1711
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:34,849
but it's it's mostly post Protestant

1712
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:37,150
countries as well there's far more

1713
01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:40,130
abductions and UFO sightings in Europe

1714
01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:42,230
for instance in the the northern

1715
01:15:47,259 --> 01:15:44,300
Protestant countries rather than the

1716
01:15:48,939 --> 01:15:47,269
Mediterranean part and that maybe is

1717
01:15:50,859 --> 01:15:48,949
because there's a different relationship

1718
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:50,869
with ideas of this of the spirit world

1719
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:53,690
it might be that in the more ritual

1720
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:56,329
based and or you know in case of the Far

1721
01:15:59,799 --> 01:15:57,679
East for instance there there may be

1722
01:16:02,620 --> 01:15:59,809
something in the way that anomalous

1723
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,630
phenomena are interpreted that's if they

1724
01:16:06,189 --> 01:16:03,920
maybe have a far more comfortable

1725
01:16:08,529 --> 01:16:06,199
relationship with the spirit world to

1726
01:16:10,419 --> 01:16:08,539
you know to put it in their terms we

1727
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:10,429
have many more terms to discuss as we

1728
01:16:15,370 --> 01:16:12,130
try to put this in perspective

1729
01:16:19,330 --> 01:16:15,380
especially now focusing on UFO

1730
01:16:22,509 --> 01:16:19,340
abductions why we see these events in

1731
01:16:25,390 --> 01:16:22,519
terms of space beings and other people

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01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:25,400
have other ideas about them with David

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Robertson and Jean and Chris you're in

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have the announcement about the section

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to it here now we see how contacts with

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other beings are reflected in terms of

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our culture so we have abductions and

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people who have a more spiritual aspect

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of their lives may meet up with these

1888
01:23:05,210 --> 01:23:03,510
supposed beings in another way what

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01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:05,220
about UFOs how do the

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01:23:10,190 --> 01:23:07,470
images of UFOs play out around the world

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to be honest you guys probably know more

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about the nuts-and-bolts UFO history

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:15,240
than I do I do know that there's there

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01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:17,130
have been quite a lot of UFO images

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01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:19,020
coming out of China and India and things

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01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:22,710
in recent years and I recently come

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across some information about cases in

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Northern Europe in Sweden and places

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:30,000
like that but I mean I see it all as

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part and parcel of the same kind of

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01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,010
phenomenon I think as for the images I

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01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:37,860
I'm very seldom convinced by any of them

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I don't know how you you guys feel I

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01:23:46,450 --> 01:23:43,290
think you're being kind you know I'm a

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01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,460
religious studies scholar I'm trained at

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01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:49,040
at pussyfooting around certain things

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01:23:56,710 --> 01:23:53,670
but well I I you know fortunately I've

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:23:56,720
had a bit of a kind of an ad-hoc

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01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:03,830
specific elements within videos

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photographs films that would indicate a

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01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,060
it's a true photograph of a truly nuts

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01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:14,400
and bolts anomalous object and then of

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01:24:18,830 --> 01:24:16,620
course the other side of the coin that

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01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:18,840
it's not then it's you know hoaxes or

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01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:22,010
some sort of misidentified anomalous

1916
01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:27,270
natural rare possibly but natural event

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01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:29,550
like a few weeks ago we had a very very

1918
01:24:34,450 --> 01:24:31,230
interesting photograph that ended up

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being a drop of moisture on the lens

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right most people don't have this type

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01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,860
of education so the Internet is is your

1922
01:24:46,190 --> 01:24:43,440
place to go to get titillated by you

1923
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:46,200
know highly questionable images

1924
01:24:51,310 --> 01:24:49,290
purporting to show UFO craft there are

1925
01:24:55,670 --> 01:24:51,320
some very specific ground rules that

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:55,680
that I do kind of operate within when

1927
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:56,970
I'm looking at these photographs and

1928
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:01,500
there's it's there's a glaring I think

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cultural meme that a holdover from the

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01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:06,810
50s people still think that the George

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01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:09,390
Adamski photographs the the ability of

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01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:11,460
iron beam ships and in some of your

1933
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:13,080
favorite sci-fi films some of the 50s

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01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:15,930
are what will UFOs look like and they do

1935
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:18,030
not look like that and it's very simple

1936
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:21,000
to to see when somebody has been

1937
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:23,969
programmed by their culture in preparing

1938
01:25:33,379 --> 01:25:27,750
to perpetrate and pull off a hoax image

1939
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:33,389
and in the to me 98% of them are are

1940
01:25:39,109 --> 01:25:37,380
hoaxes and of that 98% three-quarters of

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01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:39,119
them are very almost instantly

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01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,630
identifiable as hoaxes and I just I just

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01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:44,400
waste my time online just going down the

1944
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:47,670
list whenever I see one on online I'll

1945
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:49,409
put a little comment in there what I

1946
01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:51,900
think it is and in how people really

1947
01:25:56,419 --> 01:25:53,340
need to get up to speed and what their

1948
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:56,429
in terms of their analytical abilities

1949
01:25:59,720 --> 01:25:58,170
in their in their educational their

1950
01:26:03,290 --> 01:25:59,730
level of their education when it comes

1951
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:03,300
to utilizing analytical abilities all

1952
01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:04,440
right absolutely I mean it's one of the

1953
01:26:07,370 --> 01:26:06,150
reasons I don't know very much about UFO

1954
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:07,380
for which is because it just doesn't

1955
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:09,300
really hold much interest to me it you

1956
01:26:14,089 --> 01:26:12,480
know as you say it's it's the famous

1957
01:26:15,709 --> 01:26:14,099
historical cases they're all hoaxes and

1958
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:15,719
most of the modern ones you can see

1959
01:26:20,029 --> 01:26:18,030
what's going on then one that frequently

1960
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:20,039
annoys me is it's more common of video

1961
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:24,239
work as you'll often hear and you come

1962
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:25,710
across the salon can in the conspiracy

1963
01:26:29,839 --> 01:26:28,050
world you know that or you can you can

1964
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:29,849
do all of these things with CGI and

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01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,489
people will just say CGI and explains

1966
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:34,260
the way in you know the reason that

1967
01:26:38,660 --> 01:26:36,329
there's no film of this or that or you

1968
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,670
know of planes hitting the Trade Towers

1969
01:26:42,049 --> 01:26:40,440
or whatever apparently none of these

1970
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,059
people have ever watched the extra

1971
01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:44,760
features on the DVD of any Hollywood

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01:26:49,609 --> 01:26:46,710
blockbuster in the last 20 years because

1973
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:49,619
if if people could really do CGI that

1974
01:26:55,069 --> 01:26:52,110
well then they need to explain to me why

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01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:55,079
films that cost you hundreds of million

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01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:56,940
times with the best guys in the business

1977
01:27:02,419 --> 01:27:00,630
can't do CGI special effect as well as

1978
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:02,429
what your average conspiracy theorist

1979
01:27:06,890 --> 01:27:04,770
claims is done all the time you know

1980
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:06,900
here I mentioned here because I follow

1981
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:09,960
comic books and such when you see flying

1982
01:27:15,140 --> 01:27:12,960
scenes and comic books in the movie

1983
01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:15,150
version Superman flying now Supergirl

1984
01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:18,630
flying I have never seen a really

1985
01:27:25,879 --> 01:27:23,329
effective flying scene except a distant

1986
01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:25,889
picture you know what CGI they do a

1987
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:27,900
drawing of the character but the

1988
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:29,940
close-ups of any of the characters and

1989
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:30,890
you go back to

1990
01:27:36,670 --> 01:27:33,610
what was once considered the ultimate

1991
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:36,680
special effect movie for flying scenes

1992
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:40,310
Superman the movie from 1978 none of it

1993
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,060
was real

1994
01:27:47,380 --> 01:27:43,520
even Man of Steel I haven't seen Batman

1995
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:47,390
V Superman and maybe I want on TV you

1996
01:27:51,970 --> 01:27:49,730
see Superman you see Supergirl flying

1997
01:27:54,010 --> 01:27:51,980
the distance scenes aren't so bad

1998
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:54,020
because you can't see details as soon as

1999
01:27:59,740 --> 01:27:57,110
they get up close it doesn't work it

2000
01:28:02,350 --> 01:27:59,750
never does it's always oh that person is

2001
01:28:05,260 --> 01:28:02,360
being suspended on a tightrope or by

2002
01:28:08,230 --> 01:28:05,270
wires in front of a green screen yeah

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01:28:10,690 --> 01:28:08,240
absolutely and and some of the best the

2004
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:10,700
best looking special effects I've ever

2005
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:12,170
seen are often the ones that are done

2006
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:15,290
physically in the camera and just

2007
01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:19,280
because it doesn't have that little that

2008
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:21,980
little just in perfect quality that just

2009
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:23,810
makes it jump out straight away it's

2010
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:29,360
being in effect yeah yeah but people

2011
01:28:34,810 --> 01:28:32,150
will use it as an explanation for first

2012
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:34,820
off all the time you know for why the

2013
01:28:38,170 --> 01:28:36,650
the information that they're given why

2014
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:38,180
the historical record doesn't match up

2015
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:43,130
you know lighten videos are done by

2016
01:28:46,570 --> 01:28:44,480
somebody else or that they can copy

2017
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,580
anybody's voice digitally or all the

2018
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:48,800
rest of it it's just rubbish we don't

2019
01:28:52,690 --> 01:28:50,450
know them we can't believe anything we

2020
01:28:55,330 --> 01:28:52,700
don't believe any of those pictures of

2021
01:28:58,270 --> 01:28:55,340
Osama bin Laden were real we don't

2022
01:29:01,630 --> 01:28:58,280
believe that he was even killed by Navy

2023
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:01,640
SEALs maybe he died five years be

2024
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:03,650
earlier but they had to keep up his

2025
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:06,350
illusion to keep up the investment in

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01:29:13,780 --> 01:29:07,810
the military hardware

2027
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:13,790
we need a boogeyman right yeah there was

2028
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:16,490
a study from a couple of years back

2029
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:20,120
where and they leaked it some

2030
01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:21,410
psychologists and they did sort of

2031
01:29:25,630 --> 01:29:23,150
questionnaire style research in the

2032
01:29:28,270 --> 01:29:25,640
conspiracy beliefs and the basic thrust

2033
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:28,280
of the results they got was the people

2034
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:30,080
who were likely it believed one

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01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:31,760
conspiracy theory or likely to believe

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01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:33,020
other ones even when they were

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01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:36,670
contradictory so if you believed that

2038
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:42,050
some of the wasn't wasn't dead your

2039
01:29:48,490 --> 01:29:43,730
also more likely to believe that he had

2040
01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:48,500
died five years previously so it's a you

2041
01:29:52,899 --> 01:29:50,630
know a completely just a lack of trust

2042
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:52,909
fool stone a lack of belief in anything

2043
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:55,790
really can you blame the public for not

2044
01:30:00,160 --> 01:29:57,500
trusting those in power

2045
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:00,170
oh oh absolutely no and I don't want to

2046
01:30:05,109 --> 01:30:02,329
get the impression that I think that

2047
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these suspicions is necessarily

2048
01:30:11,379 --> 01:30:07,760
incorrect I certainly don't I would go

2049
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:11,389
much further than most academics in and

2050
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:14,719
say you know the often there are there

2051
01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:18,730
are truths in here but it's the lack of

2052
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it it's mixed up for the law of a lot of

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nonsense and in the same way that the

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UFO field is again let's get into more

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01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,840
of that in our next segment with David

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Robertson and Jean and Chris you're in

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free and all paperwork is handled for

2146
01:34:12,669 --> 01:34:09,590
you just call 866 three eight nine zero

2147
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:12,679
six two zero that's 866 three eight nine

2148
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:16,010
zero six two zero again 866 three eight

2149
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:19,310
nine zero six two zero hello I'm Michael

2150
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:21,770
Regan my father President Ronald Reagan

2151
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:24,110
believes so strongly in gold that in

2152
01:34:29,770 --> 01:34:27,050
1985 he changed gold ownership forever

2153
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:29,780
today our national debt is spiraling out

2154
01:34:34,810 --> 01:34:32,449
of control but gold coins could be the

2155
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:34,820
answer call one eight six six five two

2156
01:34:40,060 --> 01:34:37,520
five gold or go online to us money

2157
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:40,070
reserve com to get new never before

2158
01:34:45,070 --> 01:34:42,770
released information about gold from the

2159
01:34:50,030 --> 01:34:45,080
US money reserve call one eight six six

2160
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:55,070
[Music]

2161
01:34:59,100 --> 01:34:57,330
hi this is Bryce they've won the

2162
01:35:00,930 --> 01:34:59,110
producer of dark skies the co-author of

2163
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:00,940
AD after disclosure and you are

2164
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:03,010
listening to the para cast the gold

2165
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:06,170
standard of paranormal radio

2166
01:35:16,030 --> 01:35:12,940
[Music]

2167
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,040
so it's UFOs conspiracy theories and the

2168
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:18,800
new age and I want to focus a little bit

2169
01:35:23,860 --> 01:35:20,980
before we get to listen or questions on

2170
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:23,870
conspiracy theories in general let's

2171
01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:25,730
just take it back to the early days of

2172
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:29,150
the UFO field Roswell New Mexico do you

2173
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:31,490
think that was a balloon or a test

2174
01:35:36,190 --> 01:35:34,130
aircraft from somebody or what what's

2175
01:35:38,770 --> 01:35:36,200
your impression it looks very much like

2176
01:35:40,750 --> 01:35:38,780
it was a radar test balloon I mean the

2177
01:35:43,630 --> 01:35:40,760
remains fit the description

2178
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:43,640
we've got eyewitness testimony people

2179
01:35:47,230 --> 01:35:45,530
who were working there that see this is

2180
01:35:49,090 --> 01:35:47,240
exactly what they looked like we've got

2181
01:35:52,660 --> 01:35:49,100
records of when it was happening in the

2182
01:35:54,610 --> 01:35:52,670
area on the other hand I mean even in

2183
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:54,620
Mac Brazel four it was it was some sort

2184
01:35:59,980 --> 01:35:56,330
of experimental aircraft he didn't think

2185
01:36:02,260 --> 01:35:59,990
it was a UF like extraterrestrial craft

2186
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:02,270
it seems like that that was a cover

2187
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,880
story throughout by the by the military

2188
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:06,800
it just seems to be the the easiest

2189
01:36:11,980 --> 01:36:09,440
explanation right Occam's razor well

2190
01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:11,990
here's an equation there Kevin Randall

2191
01:36:17,950 --> 01:36:14,150
who has been one of the more prominent

2192
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:17,960
people studying Roswell he wants to tell

2193
01:36:21,790 --> 01:36:19,250
you it couldn't be a mogul balloon

2194
01:36:23,470 --> 01:36:21,800
because when you look at the logs they

2195
01:36:27,850 --> 01:36:23,480
don't show a mogul balloon going off

2196
01:36:30,670 --> 01:36:27,860
that particular timeframe logs are

2197
01:36:33,310 --> 01:36:30,680
correct plus Jane the photographs in

2198
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:33,320
press conference in Rama's office has

2199
01:36:40,330 --> 01:36:35,930
quite a number of examples of debris

2200
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:40,340
that cannot be matched up with a list of

2201
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:44,090
parts for a mobile balloon train okay as

2202
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:47,330
I said you guys are know much more about

2203
01:36:53,620 --> 01:36:49,610
the nuts and bolts of these aspects than

2204
01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:53,630
I do this dust doesn't matter a great

2205
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:55,310
deal to me because I'm not really out to

2206
01:37:00,100 --> 01:36:58,130
prove truth for a fact one way or

2207
01:37:01,540 --> 01:37:00,110
another about UFOs or abductions that's

2208
01:37:03,820 --> 01:37:01,550
not really what interests me what I'm

2209
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,830
interested in is it's how this how it

2210
01:37:05,950 --> 01:37:05,600
works culturally and you know what it

2211
01:37:08,230 --> 01:37:05,960
means

2212
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:08,240
culturally well I tend to think here

2213
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:10,610
that the biggest problem we have with

2214
01:37:18,730 --> 01:37:15,440
Roswell is that when UFO researchers got

2215
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:18,740
into it which was what thirty years

2216
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:21,410
later more

2217
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,510
listened yeah and Stanton Friedman the

2218
01:37:31,330 --> 01:37:28,400
memories of it were contaminated by

2219
01:37:34,510 --> 01:37:31,340
those 30 years of experience so whatever

2220
01:37:37,210 --> 01:37:34,520
happened it became a different matter

2221
01:37:39,580 --> 01:37:37,220
entirely when it was recalled later

2222
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:39,590
and once the books got written more and

2223
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:41,930
more people came out who said oh yeah I

2224
01:37:46,690 --> 01:37:43,730
guess there was something strange about

2225
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:46,700
that maybe I did see a small alien I'm

2226
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:48,410
not saying that there was no basis for

2227
01:37:52,660 --> 01:37:51,170
Roswell or that wasn't a balloon that it

2228
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:52,670
wasn't a test aircraft that it was a

2229
01:37:58,240 --> 01:37:55,490
spaceship anything like that in cool

2230
01:38:00,970 --> 01:37:58,250
life of its own absolutely this is well

2231
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:00,980
I've the problem because of the culture

2232
01:38:06,580 --> 01:38:03,290
well we had Close Encounters of the

2233
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:06,590
Third Kind in 1978 and this is just

2234
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:07,970
around the time that all the Roswell

2235
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:10,400
information is coming forth absolutely I

2236
01:38:15,070 --> 01:38:12,770
said earlier on you know the experiences

2237
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:15,080
are constructed post-talk and they they

2238
01:38:21,550 --> 01:38:18,110
take place culturally so the memories

2239
01:38:23,170 --> 01:38:21,560
are affected by all of these new frames

2240
01:38:26,260 --> 01:38:23,180
of reference that have come out in the

2241
01:38:29,020 --> 01:38:26,270
meantime in 1947 you know Mac Brazel

2242
01:38:31,870 --> 01:38:29,030
didn't think it was a UFO the only the

2243
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:31,880
only person of you who said it was at

2244
01:38:35,710 --> 01:38:34,010
the time as far as I'm aware was the the

2245
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:35,720
military spokesman who appears to have

2246
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:38,330
been trying to you know to distract from

2247
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:40,310
whoever was really going on I'd recently

2248
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:43,930
read the the Aztec UFO incident book by

2249
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:46,310
Ramsey I can't remember his first name

2250
01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:48,770
right Scott right Suzanne Ramsey let me

2251
01:38:53,950 --> 01:38:50,630
just preface this before you go on

2252
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:53,960
that's go onion right they recently came

2253
01:38:57,460 --> 01:38:55,520
out with a new edition of the book they

2254
01:39:00,340 --> 01:38:57,470
had a self published version two or

2255
01:39:02,650 --> 01:39:00,350
three years ago and then they found a

2256
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:02,660
mainstream publisher and they reissued

2257
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:04,850
it and they claimed there were a lot of

2258
01:39:09,550 --> 01:39:07,340
changes a hundred twenty new pages but

2259
01:39:13,090 --> 01:39:09,560
I've asked got Ramsey to explain to me

2260
01:39:14,890 --> 01:39:13,100
in general what has been added what has

2261
01:39:17,260 --> 01:39:14,900
been changed in the book and I can't get

2262
01:39:20,290 --> 01:39:17,270
an answer so what's your reaction well I

2263
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:20,300
was struck by the the paucity of actual

2264
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:22,550
sorry it it presents itself as if it's

2265
01:39:26,980 --> 01:39:24,650
full of physical evidence and there

2266
01:39:28,930 --> 01:39:26,990
really is not an awful lot there's a bit

2267
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:28,940
of concrete on a hill and there's a

2268
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:31,370
scratch on a cliff but the vast majority

2269
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:34,410
of the book is is eyewitness

2270
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:38,370
and by people 5060 years after the fact

2271
01:39:44,650 --> 01:39:40,890
there's one example in it where he says

2272
01:39:47,570 --> 01:39:44,660
you know having he's describing a man

2273
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:47,580
describing the events of the can you

2274
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:48,930
remember the date the suppose the date

2275
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:52,110
of the event is about 1954 in nineteen

2276
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:55,290
forty eight nine forty okay describing

2277
01:39:57,860 --> 01:39:56,760
the events of night for each shortly

2278
01:39:59,660 --> 01:39:57,870
before he died so we're talking about a

2279
01:40:03,770 --> 01:39:59,670
very old man in his eighties I think and

2280
01:40:06,860 --> 01:40:03,780
and Ramsey said describes as having had

2281
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:06,870
sixty years to think over and be sure of

2282
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:09,000
the facts this is what he says and I

2283
01:40:13,570 --> 01:40:11,010
thought that's exactly the opposite of

2284
01:40:17,210 --> 01:40:13,580
the case this is something that happened

2285
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:17,220
sixty years ago to an old old man and

2286
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,690
you're expecting this to have any

2287
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:20,880
objectivity whatsoever but the book is

2288
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:23,010
almost entirely made up of these kind of

2289
01:40:30,290 --> 01:40:27,600
long distant witness testimonies just

2290
01:40:33,290 --> 01:40:30,300
not reliable at all I you know I must

2291
01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:33,300
interject something here ask any veteran

2292
01:40:38,290 --> 01:40:36,030
of the Korean War the few veterans left

2293
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,300
from World War two and when they have

2294
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:40,560
life-and-death situations going on

2295
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:44,130
around them those experiences are deeply

2296
01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:47,250
imprinted upon their conscious mind and

2297
01:40:53,540 --> 01:40:50,280
their recollection tends to be a lot

2298
01:40:56,450 --> 01:40:53,550
more reliable than somebody who's trying

2299
01:40:59,360 --> 01:40:56,460
to remember who they met at a party five

2300
01:41:02,300 --> 01:40:59,370
years ago I mean some of these you know

2301
01:41:03,950 --> 01:41:02,310
real life-changing and emotionally

2302
01:41:07,460 --> 01:41:03,960
wrought events are deeply deeply

2303
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:07,470
imprinted upon the human memory banks

2304
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:09,810
and the human conscious in recollection

2305
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:11,850
is I think much easier when you're

2306
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,090
facing a potentially life-threatening or

2307
01:41:19,460 --> 01:41:17,360
life-altering situation I think the

2308
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:19,470
quality of memories are better I do

2309
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,780
agree with you that when people come out

2310
01:41:24,410 --> 01:41:23,040
of the woodwork and say oh yeah I was

2311
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:24,420
there too and I remember this that the

2312
01:41:28,610 --> 01:41:25,980
other thing that's that's different I

2313
01:41:31,220 --> 01:41:28,620
think when when people are faced with

2314
01:41:33,020 --> 01:41:31,230
with up-close and personal experiences

2315
01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:33,030
with the unknown the inexplicable the

2316
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:35,340
possibly life-threatening that tends to

2317
01:41:40,190 --> 01:41:37,770
leave leave a pretty deep and I think

2318
01:41:42,250 --> 01:41:40,200
accurate lasting impression more so than

2319
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:42,260
your your average non-threatening

2320
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:44,970
experiences put it that way yeah I'd

2321
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:46,410
have to look into that I mean I know

2322
01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:46,930
that

2323
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:48,670
the kind of the way we normally think

2324
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,350
about it but I haven't looked into this

2325
01:41:54,630 --> 01:41:52,960
into the into the clinical work to know

2326
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:54,640
if that's true and we certainly think

2327
01:41:58,320 --> 01:41:56,650
that these pivotal moments that we've

2328
01:41:59,700 --> 01:41:58,330
remembered them very clearly but I

2329
01:42:03,930 --> 01:41:59,710
wouldn't be so certain that we actually

2330
01:42:05,010 --> 01:42:03,940
do necessarily I mean III understand

2331
01:42:06,690 --> 01:42:05,020
what you say it certainly could be the

2332
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:06,700
case that you know the adrenaline and

2333
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:09,040
the the fact that were concentrating so

2334
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:11,410
hard and you know what to use the

2335
01:42:15,870 --> 01:42:13,080
example you gave Venice on wartime

2336
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:15,880
situation could cause you to remember

2337
01:42:20,010 --> 01:42:18,370
more visual detail of something

2338
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:20,020
happening because you're paying so much

2339
01:42:23,610 --> 01:42:21,970
more attention to it the same way is the

2340
01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:23,620
first time you go somewhere it takes you

2341
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:25,960
it seems to take twice as long and then

2342
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:27,340
it does once you know the way because

2343
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:28,450
you're having to concentrate so much

2344
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:31,150
exactly well I had a closer personal

2345
01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:33,130
contact experience when I was seven and

2346
01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:36,220
I remember it vividly my story's never

2347
01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:38,440
changed it's never been added to it's

2348
01:42:44,340 --> 01:42:41,350
never been subtracted from it's about as

2349
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:44,350
clear as well it is the probably the

2350
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:46,510
clearest experience I think from my

2351
01:42:50,730 --> 01:42:48,850
childhood that and having my front three

2352
01:42:54,750 --> 01:42:50,740
teeth knocked out by a lion driving

2353
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:54,760
Little League I won't forget that one

2354
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:55,030
either

2355
01:42:59,610 --> 01:42:57,040
threw the guy out trying to steal a

2356
01:43:01,890 --> 01:42:59,620
third but man I got my face bashed and

2357
01:43:03,900 --> 01:43:01,900
my slip split open and kind of hard to

2358
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:03,910
forget something like that but my

2359
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:07,330
experience when I was around around in

2360
01:43:13,470 --> 01:43:11,530
my seventh birthday left a deep and very

2361
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:13,480
very indelible impression on my mind and

2362
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:16,810
and has been I think the motivation for

2363
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:18,850
me to be as interested in these very

2364
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:21,250
fringe subjects much the bane of my

2365
01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:24,790
social yes social calendar in existence

2366
01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:29,020
but what social calendar you know I'm

2367
01:43:34,980 --> 01:43:31,000
not like Eugene I do get out I do have a

2368
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:34,990
life it's a very familiar pattern

2369
01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:36,490
actually that's a very common story

2370
01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:39,670
amongst normally abductees but amongst

2371
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:42,190
conspiracy theory people as well I mean

2372
01:43:45,690 --> 01:43:43,930
did the whole range of the people that I

2373
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:45,700
was speaking to because I did a lot of

2374
01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:48,490
fieldwork amongst you know sort of

2375
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:50,710
people who follow these ideas and you

2376
01:43:53,940 --> 01:43:52,510
know people you go to David Icke

2377
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:53,950
concerts and go to where these Schreiber

2378
01:43:58,020 --> 01:43:55,930
events and stuff and it's a pretty

2379
01:44:00,180 --> 01:43:58,030
common story I would say about half the

2380
01:44:00,899 --> 01:44:00,190
time there's some sort of that

2381
01:44:03,419 --> 01:44:00,909
experience

2382
01:44:05,429 --> 01:44:03,429
of some description either you know a

2383
01:44:09,509 --> 01:44:05,439
sort of a sort of spiritual kind of

2384
01:44:12,029 --> 01:44:09,519
style or a more physical of seeing you

2385
01:44:13,589 --> 01:44:12,039
know physically seeing a UFO but the

2386
01:44:17,339 --> 01:44:13,599
important thing in those cases is that

2387
01:44:20,069 --> 01:44:17,349
it often suggests to them that there's

2388
01:44:22,679 --> 01:44:20,079
something inexplicable to the mainstream

2389
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:22,689
way of seeing the world and so it leads

2390
01:44:26,370 --> 01:44:24,400
them this rabbit hole of looking for

2391
01:44:28,679 --> 01:44:26,380
alternative ways of understanding the

2392
01:44:30,659 --> 01:44:28,689
world it's it's it's what I talk about

2393
01:44:32,879 --> 01:44:30,669
the certain and nos that almost Gnostic

2394
01:44:35,699 --> 01:44:32,889
idea yeah yeah it's very motivating to

2395
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:35,709
some people who were curious by nature

2396
01:44:40,529 --> 01:44:38,169
and seekers people who want answers and

2397
01:44:42,779 --> 01:44:40,539
aren't satisfied with you know half

2398
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:42,789
answers say they really want to dig and

2399
01:44:46,319 --> 01:44:44,409
get get to the truth that's not

2400
01:44:48,509 --> 01:44:46,329
everybody some people the opposite

2401
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:48,519
happens they go into complete they go

2402
01:44:52,489 --> 01:44:50,320
into complete denial or they go they

2403
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:52,499
block they block a traumatic experience

2404
01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:55,329
away from the conscious mind in a way to

2405
01:45:01,159 --> 01:44:58,630
deal with it emotionally you'll find

2406
01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:01,169
that with child abuse victims with

2407
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:04,260
people that have had nasty experiences

2408
01:45:10,219 --> 01:45:07,119
you know with others sometimes they're

2409
01:45:12,959 --> 01:45:10,229
sublimated and held in a safe little

2410
01:45:14,729 --> 01:45:12,969
Pandora's box in their in their memory

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banks it works both ways

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we've got Jeanne and Chris and David

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Robertson you're in loop Erica

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Austin welcome back to the para cast the

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gold standard of paranormal radio and

2468
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:01,940
now here's Jane Steinberg Chris we have

2469
01:48:07,090 --> 01:48:04,880
some questions of David Robertson some

2470
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:07,100
intricate questions some of which we've

2471
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,810
kind of covered already but you might

2472
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:10,880
want to focus on some I want to talk

2473
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:14,210
about David Wilcock first sure because

2474
01:48:18,670 --> 01:48:16,489
this guy I really want to get your take

2475
01:48:21,670 --> 01:48:18,680
on David I have a real problem with this

2476
01:48:23,140 --> 01:48:21,680
guy especially with this current about

2477
01:48:24,729 --> 01:48:23,150
every six eight months he comes up with

2478
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:24,739
some new thing to keep his name out

2479
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:26,090
there in the forefront and be all

2480
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:28,010
cutting-edge and everything first the

2481
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,090
fact that he claims to be the

2482
01:48:33,190 --> 01:48:31,520
reincarnation of Edgar Cayce that that

2483
01:48:35,530 --> 01:48:33,200
kind of taints him from the get-go I

2484
01:48:38,050 --> 01:48:35,540
don't care how much he looks his

2485
01:48:40,780 --> 01:48:38,060
pictures look like KC when he was a kid

2486
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:40,790
that's a big claim to make and quite

2487
01:48:44,290 --> 01:48:42,170
frankly if you want to be taken

2488
01:48:45,550 --> 01:48:44,300
seriously running around claiming

2489
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,560
something like that is not gonna help

2490
01:48:50,770 --> 01:48:47,600
you credibility when you're starting out

2491
01:48:54,340 --> 01:48:50,780
is to become this you know a fairly

2492
01:48:56,710 --> 01:48:54,350
successful pander and promoter of

2493
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:56,720
conspiracy what do you think of him and

2494
01:48:59,950 --> 01:48:58,280
in and there's especially this new

2495
01:49:01,930 --> 01:48:59,960
character that's come along this Corey

2496
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:01,940
good guy who claims he's been to Mars

2497
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:04,730
and and it has all these fantastic

2498
01:49:11,070 --> 01:49:07,730
sci-fi tales about you know our presence

2499
01:49:14,020 --> 01:49:11,080
on the moon on Mars our time traveler

2500
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:14,030
gam and it's a new version of this this

2501
01:49:23,290 --> 01:49:18,850
serpo story is this from the 90s

2502
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:23,300
yeah Wilcock I should preference the of

2503
01:49:27,540 --> 01:49:24,890
the two he was the one I didn't have

2504
01:49:29,650 --> 01:49:27,550
direct contact with I only know his his

2505
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:29,660
material you know through his

2506
01:49:33,490 --> 01:49:32,210
publications and so on it should be

2507
01:49:35,740 --> 01:49:33,500
pointed out as well that although he

2508
01:49:39,670 --> 01:49:35,750
claims he's the reincarnation of Edgar

2509
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:39,680
Cayce Edgar Casey's Association they

2510
01:49:44,820 --> 01:49:42,130
think it's the AC II though

2511
01:49:46,260 --> 01:49:44,830
recognize that they re this they re

2512
01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:46,270
that's right association for research

2513
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:47,980
and enlightenment I lived across the

2514
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:51,190
street for two years why they don't

2515
01:49:56,010 --> 01:49:54,280
recognize him at all and in fact seem to

2516
01:49:59,370 --> 01:49:56,020
not want to have anything to do with

2517
01:50:02,490 --> 01:49:59,380
them I certainly he's a he's a very good

2518
01:50:04,590 --> 01:50:02,500
example of kind of a serial

2519
01:50:06,930 --> 01:50:04,600
millennialist you know he's been wrong

2520
01:50:09,090 --> 01:50:06,940
about the coming

2521
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:09,100
you know transformation of the world for

2522
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:12,210
better or ill a number of times now and

2523
01:50:17,850 --> 01:50:15,730
this it's been three or four years he's

2524
01:50:19,979 --> 01:50:17,860
been on this disclosure tip you know

2525
01:50:23,070 --> 01:50:19,989
this that the the government are getting

2526
01:50:23,939 --> 01:50:23,080
ready to reveal all the hidden secrets

2527
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:23,949
about their dealings with

2528
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,510
extraterrestrials that's been going on

2529
01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:28,239
for a number of years and he always has

2530
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:30,340
these insiders that he produces from

2531
01:50:35,310 --> 01:50:33,030
somewhere it was a Benjamin Fulford was

2532
01:50:38,609 --> 01:50:35,320
recent one and there was there was

2533
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:38,619
another guy called Drake who was claimed

2534
01:50:43,020 --> 01:50:41,290
or I only knew about him through Wilcock

2535
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:43,030
but he was basically some guy claiming

2536
01:50:46,919 --> 01:50:45,489
to be you know an Illuminati a

2537
01:50:49,410 --> 01:50:46,929
high-level Illuminati

2538
01:50:52,140 --> 01:50:49,420
I'm born into a high level of Illuminati

2539
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:52,150
family who had you know run away and was

2540
01:50:58,040 --> 01:50:54,250
now hiding in some hotel room somewhere

2541
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,050
and spilling the secrets out - tiny

2542
01:51:03,899 --> 01:51:00,639
conspiracy chatrooms

2543
01:51:06,570 --> 01:51:03,909
whilst the Illuminati sought out - to

2544
01:51:09,660 --> 01:51:06,580
silence him it wasn't he involved with

2545
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:09,670
the Dan birch and the the area 51

2546
01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:12,400
scientists legendary 51 scientists who

2547
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:13,780
came out was talking about the Ganesh

2548
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,050
particle and Elrod and all this stuff

2549
01:51:20,669 --> 01:51:19,119
about six seven years ago I remember

2550
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:20,679
correctly said maybe seven eight years

2551
01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:22,300
ago I think he was involved and all that

2552
01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:24,670
would carry Cassady in the project

2553
01:51:27,899 --> 01:51:25,270
Camelot

2554
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:27,909
yes he was he's done a few things with

2555
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:33,730
Kerry Cassidy actually yeah yeah off the

2556
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:37,690
three he's the one I I said I have the

2557
01:51:39,870 --> 01:51:39,489
least faith as being sincere let's put

2558
01:51:42,810 --> 01:51:39,880
it that way

2559
01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:42,820
well he's on ancient aliens so he must

2560
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,310
be legitimate like have you heard about

2561
01:51:49,590 --> 01:51:47,440
this film he supposedly been developing

2562
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:49,600
he's been claiming he's developing this

2563
01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:52,210
film this Hollywood film large budget

2564
01:51:55,710 --> 01:51:54,460
kind of thing that's a bite to come out

2565
01:51:58,350 --> 01:51:55,720
and it should be out next year

2566
01:51:59,760 --> 01:51:58,360
it's been literally 15 16 years he's

2567
01:52:05,010 --> 01:51:59,770
been claiming this I wonder how much

2568
01:52:06,930 --> 01:52:05,020
money he's raised to wonder yeah it's

2569
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:06,940
almost finished it just needs one more

2570
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,310
pass on the screen here he lives in

2571
01:52:15,150 --> 01:52:11,920
quite a fancy house in the LA area

2572
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:15,160
that's quite expensive and and has

2573
01:52:23,580 --> 01:52:19,530
expensive tastes and there's no lack of

2574
01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:23,590
what be the term self appreciation to be

2575
01:52:29,490 --> 01:52:27,550
kind oh absolutely absolutely he's

2576
01:52:31,380 --> 01:52:29,500
published his own autobiography on his

2577
01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:31,390
website which includes descriptions of

2578
01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:33,220
how gifted he was as a child for

2579
01:52:37,530 --> 01:52:35,350
instance it's quite astonishing reading

2580
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:37,540
it's quite hagiographic you know but

2581
01:52:43,470 --> 01:52:41,110
also for somebody who is so incredibly

2582
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:43,480
spiritually spiritually enlightened that

2583
01:52:47,670 --> 01:52:45,850
he can charge other people you know a

2584
01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:47,680
hundred dollars for a video on how they

2585
01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:49,510
can you know purify themselves

2586
01:52:53,820 --> 01:52:51,550
spiritually he seems to spend an

2587
01:52:55,470 --> 01:52:53,830
enormous amount of his time excusing the

2588
01:52:57,630 --> 01:52:55,480
fact he hasn't updated his blog because

2589
01:52:59,690 --> 01:52:57,640
he's had a bad flu I mean it seems to

2590
01:53:02,190 --> 01:52:59,700
happen two or three times a year so

2591
01:53:04,410 --> 01:53:02,200
perfect is getting flus all the time you

2592
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,420
have to wonder yeah absolutely I mean

2593
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:06,400
which is it are you are you enlightened

2594
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:09,610
or are you pretty earthy in fact I don't

2595
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:10,930
know about the flu but he's sure a

2596
01:53:18,180 --> 01:53:15,130
floozy in my book sorry bad joke you go

2597
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:18,190
Chris okay well I'd again I don't want

2598
01:53:25,230 --> 01:53:21,690
to crack bad jokes but I must say

2599
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:25,240
millions of people hang on his every

2600
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,190
word they look past all the foibles all

2601
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:32,080
the you know prophecies that don't come

2602
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:32,410
true

2603
01:53:40,140 --> 01:53:36,880
all the information that doesn't seem to

2604
01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:40,150
stand just the just the slightest bit of

2605
01:53:44,130 --> 01:53:43,030
scrutiny why the attraction to so many

2606
01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:44,140
millions of people how come people

2607
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:46,540
really take this guy seriously there's a

2608
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:49,710
huge audience for this stuff out there

2609
01:53:57,300 --> 01:53:53,050
there's a number of reasons I mean if

2610
01:53:59,160 --> 01:53:57,310
they're failing prophecy motif of a you

2611
01:54:01,440 --> 01:53:59,170
know spiritual leader or whatever it's

2612
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:01,450
not unusual it's it's pretty common in

2613
01:54:08,430 --> 01:54:05,550
fact um there are always reasons given

2614
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:08,440
for the reason that the prophecy didn't

2615
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:09,280
pan out the way

2616
01:54:14,459 --> 01:54:11,050
is meant to and these seem to convince

2617
01:54:18,089 --> 01:54:14,469
people a lot and and have done going

2618
01:54:22,890 --> 01:54:18,099
back centuries if not longer and I I

2619
01:54:27,379 --> 01:54:22,900
wonder if maybe we as Outsiders put too

2620
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:27,389
much stress on this kind of you know

2621
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:30,639
prophecy as being literally true I

2622
01:54:37,140 --> 01:54:34,000
wonder if for the audience

2623
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,150
the prophecy aspect of it isn't the

2624
01:54:42,569 --> 01:54:39,520
biggest the most important part of it

2625
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:42,579
the prophecy of the Knights as a as a

2626
01:54:46,350 --> 01:54:44,770
critique of the present day you know by

2627
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:46,360
pointing out what's going to change in

2628
01:54:51,089 --> 01:54:48,010
the future you're kind of critiquing

2629
01:54:53,029 --> 01:54:51,099
what's wrong with today and that there's

2630
01:54:55,979 --> 01:54:53,039
a fair argument that for a lot of

2631
01:54:58,189 --> 01:54:55,989
prophets you know that that's actually

2632
01:55:02,459 --> 01:54:58,199
the appeal of their of their prophecy

2633
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:02,469
and I've there's a chapter that people

2634
01:55:06,959 --> 01:55:04,900
can get through my website which deals

2635
01:55:08,549 --> 01:55:06,969
is called this this model of ruling

2636
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:08,559
prophecy the idea that the prophecy

2637
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:11,110
never really comes to anything but it's

2638
01:55:14,069 --> 01:55:12,550
always being made and updated and

2639
01:55:15,709 --> 01:55:14,079
refreshed and moved further into the

2640
01:55:17,819 --> 01:55:15,719
future because it's function is not

2641
01:55:20,729 --> 01:55:17,829
actually to tell you in the world's end

2642
01:55:22,859 --> 01:55:20,739
but to offer a critique of what's

2643
01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:22,869
happening today but don't forget that

2644
01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:26,020
David Wilcock has has been very canny

2645
01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:28,199
from the beginning of his career in

2646
01:55:37,470 --> 01:55:34,380
attempting to create a very mainstream a

2647
01:55:39,930 --> 01:55:37,480
sense of authority about himself so he's

2648
01:55:42,959 --> 01:55:39,940
gone straight for books with them

2649
01:55:45,180 --> 01:55:42,969
through major publishers with large you

2650
01:55:48,029 --> 01:55:45,190
know with look like bestsellers

2651
01:55:49,290 --> 01:55:48,039
immediately he's made a big deal I of

2652
01:55:51,149 --> 01:55:49,300
whenever he gets mentioned in the

2653
01:55:53,459 --> 01:55:51,159
mainstream media he's not been afraid to

2654
01:55:55,709 --> 01:55:53,469
go on things like ancient aliens again

2655
01:55:57,930 --> 01:55:55,719
and again and again and and make these

2656
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,940
polished kind of television at

2657
01:56:02,970 --> 01:55:59,440
presentations because for a lot of

2658
01:56:06,660 --> 01:56:02,980
people that is authority you know if it

2659
01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:06,670
looks like something that's on CNN then

2660
01:56:11,129 --> 01:56:09,489
it then it must be true so I think he's

2661
01:56:16,020 --> 01:56:11,139
been very canny in doing that as well

2662
01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:16,030
well that's that's a real I think very

2663
01:56:20,759 --> 01:56:18,460
how about I put a subtle condemnation of

2664
01:56:21,769 --> 01:56:20,769
the average you know person interested

2665
01:56:23,659 --> 01:56:21,779
in this material

2666
01:56:25,699 --> 01:56:23,669
and you know that's why this whole field

2667
01:56:27,829 --> 01:56:25,709
in my book in my view is marred been

2668
01:56:30,499 --> 01:56:27,839
marginalized so so thoroughly and

2669
01:56:33,019 --> 01:56:30,509
effectively within the academic and

2670
01:56:36,379 --> 01:56:33,029
scientific communities you it's

2671
01:56:40,849 --> 01:56:36,389
impossible to take an aspect of this

2672
01:56:43,369 --> 01:56:40,859
field seriously and ignore everything

2673
01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:43,379
else it's either all or nothing and

2674
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so Chris any more comments about this

2802
02:02:08,980 --> 02:02:07,670
individual before we have what else

2803
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:08,990
would you like to say David about this

2804
02:02:13,930 --> 02:02:11,210
guy I mean he's just one of quite a

2805
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:13,940
number of people out there you know who

2806
02:02:18,690 --> 02:02:15,290
are successful to a greater or lesser

2807
02:02:22,660 --> 02:02:18,700
degrees him being a very obviously a

2808
02:02:24,370 --> 02:02:22,670
more visible example of this but what do

2809
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:24,380
you what do you make of this guy do you

2810
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:25,970
think that he really believes all this

2811
02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:27,410
stuff or do you think it's just a very

2812
02:02:32,830 --> 02:02:30,050
very you know artful career that he's

2813
02:02:34,630 --> 02:02:32,840
gonna get his car for himself I think

2814
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:34,640
he's quite a good drummer you heard his

2815
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:38,330
his jazz rock work it's it's not bad I

2816
02:02:44,410 --> 02:02:40,610
don't really know what to make of him I

2817
02:02:46,210 --> 02:02:44,420
as I said I have less faith in his

2818
02:02:47,740 --> 02:02:46,220
honesty than I have in some of the other

2819
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:47,750
ones but to be ought to be fair I don't

2820
02:02:54,460 --> 02:02:50,960
know he seems to me that you could

2821
02:02:56,650 --> 02:02:54,470
explain away a lot of like these sort of

2822
02:02:59,500 --> 02:02:56,660
dream interpretation stuff that he does

2823
02:03:04,180 --> 02:02:59,510
mean it seems like a pre standard trick

2824
02:03:07,300 --> 02:03:04,190
to me but he's certainly a certainly

2825
02:03:08,980 --> 02:03:07,310
imaginative in what he does if it the

2826
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:08,990
the problem I have is that I find it

2827
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:10,730
hard to believe that somebody would

2828
02:03:14,740 --> 02:03:12,800
deliberately go into this field as a

2829
02:03:16,759 --> 02:03:14,750
career choice I think the risks would be

2830
02:03:18,649 --> 02:03:16,769
very very high it's

2831
02:03:20,089 --> 02:03:18,659
you know I always have this sense of

2832
02:03:21,949 --> 02:03:20,099
them there must be something that drove

2833
02:03:25,819 --> 02:03:21,959
them into it having said that there are

2834
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:25,829
almost certainly con men working so I

2835
02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:29,129
could see either way but certainly if

2836
02:03:35,239 --> 02:03:31,679
you described striper as regularly like

2837
02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:35,249
I think I think will caucus is much more

2838
02:03:40,369 --> 02:03:37,409
Wrigley and he certainly has an

2839
02:03:43,699 --> 02:03:40,379
extremely high opinion of himself which

2840
02:03:46,189 --> 02:03:43,709
doesn't eat generally and elicits trust

2841
02:03:48,319 --> 02:03:46,199
from me well I think where it all

2842
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:48,329
started in fact I met the guy that was

2843
02:03:53,659 --> 02:03:51,209
the one that saw a photograph of him and

2844
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:53,669
then saw a photograph of Casey about the

2845
02:03:58,339 --> 02:03:56,010
same age and said oh my god

2846
02:04:00,769 --> 02:03:58,349
that's that goo Casey and I think it

2847
02:04:03,489 --> 02:04:00,779
just totally went to his head it was a

2848
02:04:05,779 --> 02:04:03,499
guy here in Sedona actually that I think

2849
02:04:08,929 --> 02:04:05,789
mentioned this in a book about him away

2850
02:04:10,339 --> 02:04:08,939
before he was known as a personality in

2851
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:10,349
this field this would be back in the

2852
02:04:16,009 --> 02:04:13,679
probably late 90s right that's that's

2853
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:16,019
the first book that basically this other

2854
02:04:20,989 --> 02:04:18,079
guy ruled but it has a picture of

2855
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:20,999
Wilcock on the cover yeah another book

2856
02:04:25,069 --> 02:04:22,729
for people that are interested in how

2857
02:04:27,769 --> 02:04:25,079
millennial is thinking and failed

2858
02:04:30,199 --> 02:04:27,779
prophecy works and or doesn't work

2859
02:04:31,939 --> 02:04:30,209
that's the case maybe there's a very

2860
02:04:34,519 --> 02:04:31,949
good book called when prophecies fail

2861
02:04:36,589 --> 02:04:34,529
that looks at a particular case I think

2862
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:36,599
back in the 50s of a millennial group

2863
02:04:41,329 --> 02:04:39,119
and what happened to the group after

2864
02:04:44,179 --> 02:04:41,339
everybody sold their houses and finished

2865
02:04:46,369 --> 02:04:44,189
up their their earthly lives to be ready

2866
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:46,379
to be raptured up and then it didn't

2867
02:04:51,079 --> 02:04:48,510
happen and it looks at the the the

2868
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:51,089
impact of this on on families on

2869
02:04:54,649 --> 02:04:53,010
individuals and on the principles

2870
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:54,659
involved I really do recommend it that's

2871
02:04:59,259 --> 02:04:57,689
called a win prophecy fail when prophecy

2872
02:05:02,859 --> 02:04:59,269
fails yeah Leon Festinger

2873
02:05:06,679 --> 02:05:02,869
1956 the group that he's describing is a

2874
02:05:09,349 --> 02:05:06,689
UFO prophetic group the women at the

2875
02:05:12,019 --> 02:05:09,359
head of the the group had a background

2876
02:05:13,639 --> 02:05:12,029
in Theosophical thinking unfortunately

2877
02:05:15,529 --> 02:05:13,649
they don't there's no conspiracy

2878
02:05:17,689 --> 02:05:15,539
theories involved and otherwise it would

2879
02:05:19,779 --> 02:05:17,699
be perfect for me but yeah I have I've

2880
02:05:21,829 --> 02:05:19,789
written a little bit about that but then

2881
02:05:24,799 --> 02:05:21,839
I'm trying to remember the name of the

2882
02:05:27,019 --> 02:05:24,809
scholar gordon melton if the famous

2883
02:05:29,509 --> 02:05:27,029
american scholar of love new religions

2884
02:05:30,319 --> 02:05:29,519
once said to me you know David you've

2885
02:05:33,790 --> 02:05:30,329
got to remember

2886
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:33,800
for believers prophecy never fails and

2887
02:05:39,020 --> 02:05:36,090
for me that's the important thing to

2888
02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:39,030
understand is that for the the members

2889
02:05:45,260 --> 02:05:41,840
of this group the prophecy didn't fail

2890
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:45,270
something was wrong somewhere either

2891
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:47,130
they misinterpreted it the message was

2892
02:05:51,649 --> 02:05:48,690
garbled somewhere in trance and

2893
02:05:53,540 --> 02:05:51,659
transmission or as ice I suggest you

2894
02:05:55,250 --> 02:05:53,550
know that a conspiracy there was a

2895
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:55,260
counter agency that prevented it from

2896
02:06:01,100 --> 02:05:58,320
happening but but prophesy from an

2897
02:06:04,700 --> 02:06:01,110
insider's point of view never fails it

2898
02:06:07,250 --> 02:06:04,710
just you know it moves it changes no

2899
02:06:10,129 --> 02:06:07,260
well of course we have someone like

2900
02:06:12,290 --> 02:06:10,139
billy meier who makes prophecies and

2901
02:06:13,850 --> 02:06:12,300
sometimes he makes the prophecies after

2902
02:06:17,660 --> 02:06:13,860
the events you're always correct but

2903
02:06:19,549 --> 02:06:17,670
almost always sure or you backdated yes

2904
02:06:21,790 --> 02:06:19,559
universally wrong but there are people

2905
02:06:24,890 --> 02:06:21,800
who will swear that he is the real deal

2906
02:06:26,330 --> 02:06:24,900
right like this there's a prophecy

2907
02:06:28,189 --> 02:06:26,340
that's doing the rounds and I are about

2908
02:06:29,930 --> 02:06:28,199
I can't remember the name of it but it's

2909
02:06:33,020 --> 02:06:29,940
basically somebody who predicted the

2910
02:06:36,169 --> 02:06:33,030
Pope's like the line of popes and said

2911
02:06:38,270 --> 02:06:36,179
that the the 13th one is going to be the

2912
02:06:40,100 --> 02:06:38,280
last one do you know the thing I'm

2913
02:06:45,470 --> 02:06:40,110
talking about that's that's actually

2914
02:06:47,780 --> 02:06:45,480
been around for quite a while but again

2915
02:06:51,049 --> 02:06:47,790
the the prophets that prophesy bit

2916
02:06:53,089 --> 02:06:51,059
actually is a lot of that isn't as old

2917
02:06:54,979 --> 02:06:53,099
as it claims to be so a lot of what

2918
02:06:56,959 --> 02:06:54,989
looks like was successful prophecy there

2919
02:06:58,669 --> 02:06:56,969
haints validating the document and

2920
02:07:00,830 --> 02:06:58,679
making people think that their future

2921
02:07:03,709 --> 02:07:00,840
parts of it will be true are actually

2922
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:03,719
had already happened another way another

2923
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:05,070
way of looking at this - another good

2924
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:07,770
example of another technique is what

2925
02:07:12,379 --> 02:07:10,079
David Icke does for instance so he still

2926
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:12,389
talks about this the group of prophecies

2927
02:07:17,450 --> 02:07:15,690
that were made in 1990 and the ones that

2928
02:07:19,490 --> 02:07:17,460
he was talking about on Morgan and and

2929
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:19,500
describes in the in the truth vibrations

2930
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:22,170
his first kind of you know spiritual

2931
02:07:27,709 --> 02:07:24,960
book and he still makes reference to

2932
02:07:30,589 --> 02:07:27,719
them so things like though he will he

2933
02:07:32,419 --> 02:07:30,599
will be dishonored in his own homeland

2934
02:07:34,490 --> 02:07:32,429
and he will write seven books in five

2935
02:07:36,410 --> 02:07:34,500
years and all this stuff but he messes

2936
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:36,420
out the stuff that was wrong so he

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02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:39,030
misses out the fact that my reign EA is

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02:07:43,460 --> 02:07:40,110
going to

2939
02:07:45,500 --> 02:07:43,470
erupted in 1992 really you know all of

2940
02:07:46,490 --> 02:07:45,510
these other things that were prophesized

2941
02:07:49,070 --> 02:07:46,500
at the same time they just get ignored

2942
02:07:50,660 --> 02:07:49,080
they're no longer mentioned anywhere and

2943
02:07:52,910 --> 02:07:50,670
one boot core he makes a lot of

2944
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:52,920
prophecies as I think it was a second

2945
02:07:56,650 --> 02:07:55,290
one and love conquers all or something

2946
02:07:59,420 --> 02:07:56,660
like that

2947
02:08:01,070 --> 02:07:59,430
it's now he hasn't reprinted it because

2948
02:08:03,710 --> 02:08:01,080
so much of it was untrue so he's very

2949
02:08:05,420 --> 02:08:03,720
hard to get hold of at the same time

2950
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,430
he's making the claim the heat that he

2951
02:08:10,580 --> 02:08:07,440
predicted Jimmy Savile that he had named

2952
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:10,590
Jimmy Savile and print you know before

2953
02:08:16,460 --> 02:08:14,400
Jimmy Savile death and in fact he he he

2954
02:08:17,690 --> 02:08:16,470
hadn't I've been through every single

2955
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:17,700
one of his books and every single one of

2956
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:19,920
his videos and he does not make that

2957
02:08:23,690 --> 02:08:22,110
claim anywhere and yet he's still making

2958
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:23,700
the claim and you still appear his

2959
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:25,410
followers saying oh you know he

2960
02:08:31,610 --> 02:08:27,840
predicted this a long time ago that's

2961
02:08:34,340 --> 02:08:31,620
part and parcel of the UFO field that no

2962
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:34,350
effort to expose a hoax will ever

2963
02:08:40,430 --> 02:08:38,250
succeed even when it does just as I

2964
02:08:42,110 --> 02:08:40,440
mentioned before George Adamski he was

2965
02:08:43,610 --> 02:08:42,120
exposed years ago but people still

2966
02:08:46,670 --> 02:08:43,620
maintain he's the real deal

2967
02:08:48,710 --> 02:08:46,680
billy meier it doesn't matter in the UFO

2968
02:08:51,740 --> 02:08:48,720
field if you prove somebody's a liar

2969
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:51,750
they will either come back a few years

2970
02:08:57,410 --> 02:08:54,690
later as if nothing was wrong yeah it's

2971
02:09:00,170 --> 02:08:57,420
the Dracula syndrome yeah it's like this

2972
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:00,180
this came from one of our occasional

2973
02:09:05,890 --> 02:09:02,970
guest Paul Kimball and he said someone

2974
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:05,900
else invented it is about Aztec where

2975
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:08,940
it's like Dracula you stick a stake

2976
02:09:15,590 --> 02:09:11,850
through it Aztec and a few years later

2977
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:15,600
was back again that story just never

2978
02:09:20,420 --> 02:09:18,930
goes away no well you know one thing I

2979
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:20,430
want to point out about David Icke that

2980
02:09:27,290 --> 02:09:23,850
that few people really have mentioned I

2981
02:09:29,420 --> 02:09:27,300
in fact I think may be the only one you

2982
02:09:32,030 --> 02:09:29,430
know he gave an eight-hour presentation

2983
02:09:35,630 --> 02:09:32,040
to a packed standing-room-only audience

2984
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:35,640
of about 1,500 to 1,800 pain I don't

2985
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:38,250
know gun god the amounts of money apiece

2986
02:09:43,010 --> 02:09:40,410
and in the first four hours he spent the

2987
02:09:44,810 --> 02:09:43,020
whole time convincing everybody that we

2988
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:44,820
create our own realities and that we

2989
02:09:48,770 --> 02:09:46,410
have to be very careful what we believe

2990
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:48,780
in because it might come true and then

2991
02:09:53,340 --> 02:09:51,510
he spent the second four hours freaking

2992
02:09:56,010 --> 02:09:53,350
everybody out with alien repto

2993
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,020
it's running the world in sacrifice yeah

2994
02:10:01,170 --> 02:09:58,960
no there's a little cognitive dissonance

2995
02:10:04,260 --> 02:10:01,180
there wouldn't you say let's have an

2996
02:10:06,990 --> 02:10:04,270
answer in our next segment if we can

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basically recover from this okay and

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maybe we're creating our own consensus

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reality here you know you guys just need

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to believe harder that's oh oh is that

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it well I'm in trouble now David

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Robertson with gene and Chris trying to

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using the computer or did you buy a new

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yes we're trying to believe we want to

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believe everything and nothing someone

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02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:05,390
once said that in the UFO field I

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believe in everything and nothing I

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forget who that was

3119
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well it's it's like this Logan's if the

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x-files right the truth is out there but

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think about that you know the guide

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spends four hours telling you you are

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responsible for the creative

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manifestation of your reality and then

3125
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the second four hours he freaks

3126
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everybody out with these like these

3127
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reptilians

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you know Queen of England drinking

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babies blood and you know just I mean I

3130
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wasn't there but now I've heard this

3131
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tick before and I've read some of his

3132
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books and it's I don't know hey how

3133
02:15:52,740 --> 02:15:48,710
could people not see I don't know it

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02:15:56,650 --> 02:15:54,940
that's a nice link because that's a term

3135
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that was introduced by the book when

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prophecy fails interesting well I saw

3137
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Ike in Wembley in 2012 and it was ten

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02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:04,700
hours at that point and there were 6,000

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02:16:10,450 --> 02:16:07,010
people there I was one of them I paid

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about 60 quid I think it was well for 10

3141
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:12,050
hours sure that's you know that's not

3142
02:16:17,140 --> 02:16:14,480
that bad that's good bang for that it's

3143
02:16:19,390 --> 02:16:17,150
yeah it's pretty good it was the more or

3144
02:16:22,110 --> 02:16:19,400
less the same format I mean he he

3145
02:16:27,340 --> 02:16:22,120
flipped a former of his shawl around

3146
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:27,350
about 2005 he used to always start with

3147
02:16:33,730 --> 02:16:31,040
one specific conspiracy case study right

3148
02:16:35,950 --> 02:16:33,740
so the Princess Diana was the favorite

3149
02:16:40,180 --> 02:16:35,960
for a long time and then it was 9/11 and

3150
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:40,190
he would go into depth in in the case

3151
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:42,170
and point out their connections and

3152
02:16:47,890 --> 02:16:45,170
these people are involved and so on and

3153
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:47,900
so forth and until you built up to this

3154
02:16:53,860 --> 02:16:51,770
large-scale kind of conspiracy model you

3155
02:16:56,919 --> 02:16:53,870
know that famous ladies got with the

3156
02:16:59,350 --> 02:16:56,929
pyramid and how all the various parts of

3157
02:17:01,480 --> 02:16:59,360
society are all connected and ultimately

3158
02:17:04,450 --> 02:17:01,490
controlled by one small group at the top

3159
02:17:06,430 --> 02:17:04,460
at which point he would he would let you

3160
02:17:09,160 --> 02:17:06,440
into the biggest secret which was that

3161
02:17:11,170 --> 02:17:09,170
they were reptilians at some point he

3162
02:17:13,210 --> 02:17:11,180
flipped it about 2005

3163
02:17:17,530 --> 02:17:13,220
and I don't know whether it was a

3164
02:17:20,100 --> 02:17:17,540
deliberate attempt to move away from the

3165
02:17:23,260 --> 02:17:20,110
reptilian material because it was so

3166
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:23,270
such a hot potato you know over the top

3167
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:25,280
I think would be a good turn that I

3168
02:17:29,530 --> 02:17:26,960
think that would be fair certainly

3169
02:17:30,940 --> 02:17:29,540
perceived to be instead he focuses on

3170
02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:30,950
stead on this kind of holographic

3171
02:17:36,190 --> 02:17:34,610
universe stuff and that we create our

3172
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:36,200
own reality although it should be

3173
02:17:40,090 --> 02:17:38,240
pointed that he means in a collective

3174
02:17:43,450 --> 02:17:40,100
sense more than an individual sense I

3175
02:17:45,010 --> 02:17:43,460
think he's and there are I think tales

3176
02:17:47,291 --> 02:17:45,020
from the time loop is the clearest

3177
02:17:50,140 --> 02:17:47,301
explanation where he does attempt to

3178
02:17:53,410 --> 02:17:50,150
link all of these apparently disparate

3179
02:17:57,070 --> 02:17:53,420
ideas into one large narrative it's

3180
02:17:59,500 --> 02:17:57,080
incredibly complex and very reminiscent

3181
02:18:01,780 --> 02:17:59,510
of the kind of creation myths of the

3182
02:18:04,570 --> 02:18:01,790
Gnostics for instance so you've got this

3183
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:04,580
idea of a fallen we do create our own

3184
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:08,210
reality you know the human or life

3185
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:12,290
creates its own physical reality but

3186
02:18:17,410 --> 02:18:15,110
then we've become trapped and created

3187
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:17,420
this or shadow being like you know like

3188
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:19,250
the Gnostic Demiurge or whatever which

3189
02:18:23,740 --> 02:18:21,920
feeds on our fear so he's kind of trying

3190
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:23,750
to have his cake and eat it too that we

3191
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:28,490
do create and manifest the fallen world

3192
02:18:32,980 --> 02:18:31,250
that we find ourselves and and but we

3193
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:32,990
are also the cause of the trap so for

3194
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:35,930
those of us in it things like reptilian

3195
02:18:40,210 --> 02:18:37,760
entities and our bodies and everything

3196
02:18:43,210 --> 02:18:40,220
else are physically real but that

3197
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:43,220
physical physically real universe is

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02:18:47,800 --> 02:18:45,250
something that we are creating including

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the negative aspects of it the

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reptilians another you know other

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negative beings we're children of the

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matrix we are indeed that's another

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interesting thing about it because how

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much of it is drawn from films have you

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heard his interpretation of Monsters Inc

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no so Monsters Inc according to Icke is

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is produced by you know the Disney

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agency to rub our noses in it because it

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tells the truth about the the system of

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the world so that our world is you know

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the world that we are we're the little

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children asleep in the bed right and

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when we're not paying attention

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monsters from a parallel universe or

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dimension enter into our universe and

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create fear which they use to power

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their world I see you know they thrive

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off off negative emotions and fear and

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and and all these negative things that

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we experience emotionally is all like

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gasoline for their particular agenda you

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02:19:56,260 --> 02:19:54,439
know I mean this stuff I can't believe

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people actually don't do their own

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research and look at and take his

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version of it as gospel um you know his

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his work on the you know the the Christ

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myth as he would like to refer to it and

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and justifiably so I think that there

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are examples of you know Osiris and in

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Jesus and other examples prior to to the

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first century where you have you know

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this this death this reincarnation or

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02:20:26,590 --> 02:20:24,830
this resurrection that's a motif that's

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that's the fairly common I think in the

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ancient world and and you know he goes

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02:20:33,940 --> 02:20:31,120
through all this you know well laid out

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02:20:36,250 --> 02:20:33,950
research that has taken lock stock and

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barrel from acharya asses books sons of

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god he even the images in her book he

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took it lock stock and barrel himself

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02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:45,939
from I mean this is Victorian

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02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:48,410
mythological study in the early you know

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02:20:52,510 --> 02:20:50,810
religious studies James Fraser's the

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02:20:54,910 --> 02:20:52,520
Golden Bough has all of this stuff in

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02:20:59,139 --> 02:20:54,920
there and written in late 1907 or

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02:21:01,630 --> 02:20:59,149
something like that yeah indeed it's

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02:21:03,070 --> 02:21:01,640
like he presents this stuff as it's the

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02:21:05,230 --> 02:21:03,080
fact that people find a novel that

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amazes me I mean it's the some of its

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you know really interesting and there's

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02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:09,500
some truth in there but it's the idea

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02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:12,319
this is groundbreaking revelation that's

3253
02:21:15,580 --> 02:21:13,010
amazing to me

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02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,590
well that just goes to show that you

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02:21:19,750 --> 02:21:18,080
know if not everybody can be a you know

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religious studies scholar and

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comparative prophecy scholar and and

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don't want to be and they don't want to

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02:21:28,690 --> 02:21:27,200
do the research they don't want to know

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02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:28,700
where he gets this information from they

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don't want to think that he's anything

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02:21:35,710 --> 02:21:33,470
but this this demigod that knows a hell

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02:21:37,859 --> 02:21:35,720
of a lot more than I do you know I mean

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that's people they have the

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responsibility for their own educational

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process and they take shortcuts with

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people like David Icke you know if

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02:21:47,790 --> 02:21:45,680
you're really interested in this stuff

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you should look at all points of view

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02:21:51,580 --> 02:21:49,250
relating to it

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what is your Chris to live in a bubble

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and just follow the people who agree

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with you so you learn nothing you know

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go into a certain cable news network in

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America where they have service you're

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gonna get in trouble gene well I'll tell

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you one survey done by someone

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representing the same political party

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that this particular cable news network

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is oriented towards pointed out that

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those people are the most ill informed

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of anyone even people who don't watch

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news at all you know I love the results

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02:22:33,340 --> 02:22:30,409
of the the poll that was done of Donald

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Trump followers don't we call him drunk

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his really that's that's his name donald

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drumpf in what was it 40% of the people

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02:22:43,240 --> 02:22:40,250
polled

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02:22:45,580 --> 02:22:43,250
I think it was 40% on this question

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02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:45,590
thought that that the ablution of

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02:22:56,200 --> 02:22:53,500
no no it was 20% and then 40 percent of

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02:22:58,540 --> 02:22:56,210
the people polled when asked if the

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United States should go ahead and go in

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and take out and bomb the bejesus out of

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I think they called it Al Gore Gorgoroth

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they made up some country name and 40%

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02:23:16,510 --> 02:23:10,340
of people responded today oh yeah go in

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there take them up make our military

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people bunch it money but women's on

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their chests no suppositories and their

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carbines whatever let's move along here

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a little bit I'm starting to get a

3303
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little bit outside of myself here we do

3304
02:23:35,109 --> 02:23:32,930
have some questions David I'd like to

3305
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try to get to a couple of them before we

3306
02:23:38,859 --> 02:23:37,369
we let you go and we do appreciate you

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being on this is the kind of show that

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we obviously we really enjoy pleasure

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yeah this one comes from Erica read and

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and this is this is an interesting

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question because it deals with with the

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whole subjective of right-wing vs.

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left-wing conspiracy if you go

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that right wing websites and comment

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sections are rife with the belief in

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conspiracies alleged to be operating

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behind climate change the Obama

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presidency LGBT rights in much else how

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much of an influence do you think that

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David Icke Jamar's and others of the

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Millennial conspiracist I guess it's

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your term

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bent have had in preparing the ground

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for right-wing conspiracies more

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generally let's have an answer in our

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next and final segment with has been

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that quick David Robertson with Gina

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increased you're in the pure ghost thank

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okay the question is asked of David

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Robertson what's your response so the

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question was how much have these kind of

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millennial conspiracist ideas laid the

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ground for these kind of popular

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right-wing conspiracy when we're hearing

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Nets Percy's yeah right it's I would say

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it's historically speaking it's the

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other way around the right-wing work

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conspiratorial a lot longer than the

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left-wing were at least in the in the

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the popular conspiracy theory sense it's

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really only the mid-80s when we start to

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see strongly left-leaning kind of

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conspiracy work coming out it's been

3464
02:29:36,201 --> 02:29:32,971
suggested that some of the reason for

3465
02:29:38,930 --> 02:29:36,211
this was because of the attacks on the

3466
02:29:42,011 --> 02:29:38,940
left by the McCarthy estate and then

3467
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:42,021
they following the Watergate scandal

3468
02:29:47,241 --> 02:29:44,730
because the conservative press were and

3469
02:29:50,390 --> 02:29:47,251
you know the government were actively

3470
02:29:53,211 --> 02:29:50,400
closing down many left-wing critics that

3471
02:29:57,230 --> 02:29:53,221
they turned more toward conspiratorial

3472
02:29:58,791 --> 02:29:57,240
arguments however some of these kind of

3473
02:30:00,591 --> 02:29:58,801
conspiracies that you were talking about

3474
02:30:02,780 --> 02:30:00,601
there I mean like the climate change one

3475
02:30:04,911 --> 02:30:02,790
really cuts right across the board there

3476
02:30:06,440 --> 02:30:04,921
are strongly left-wing people who are

3477
02:30:07,911 --> 02:30:06,450
claiming exactly the same I mean David

3478
02:30:10,551 --> 02:30:07,921
Ickes a very good example

3479
02:30:12,951 --> 02:30:10,561
Richie Allen is making the same kind of

3480
02:30:14,631 --> 02:30:12,961
argument so that in for instance cuts

3481
02:30:18,051 --> 02:30:14,641
right the way across but it's certainly

3482
02:30:22,491 --> 02:30:18,061
the case that something like LGBT rights

3483
02:30:24,051 --> 02:30:22,501
or another one is you know is religion

3484
02:30:25,551 --> 02:30:24,061
you know for the left religion is

3485
02:30:27,951 --> 02:30:25,561
largely a conspiracy for the right

3486
02:30:30,261 --> 02:30:27,961
atheism as a conspiracy but you know

3487
02:30:33,201 --> 02:30:30,271
there are very noticeable polarities and

3488
02:30:36,171 --> 02:30:33,211
areas where they don't cross so I would

3489
02:30:39,081 --> 02:30:36,181
say that there has been very little need

3490
02:30:41,841 --> 02:30:39,091
for the left to influence the right and

3491
02:30:44,211 --> 02:30:41,851
in the present climate rather what's

3492
02:30:46,430 --> 02:30:44,221
quite interesting is that we've got

3493
02:30:49,491 --> 02:30:46,440
strong conspiratorial narratives on both

3494
02:30:51,980 --> 02:30:49,501
sides of the fence or both sides of the

3495
02:30:53,751 --> 02:30:51,990
spectrum shall we say which is something

3496
02:30:56,270 --> 02:30:53,761
we haven't had for a long time

3497
02:30:58,491 --> 02:30:56,280
popular conspiracy theories had tended

3498
02:31:02,390 --> 02:30:58,501
to go between one or the other so

3499
02:31:03,649 --> 02:31:02,400
typically right-wing from the end of the

3500
02:31:06,979 --> 02:31:03,659
Second World War

3501
02:31:10,789 --> 02:31:06,989
up until the post McCarthy ax stand and

3502
02:31:13,099 --> 02:31:10,799
becoming more so post-watergate but now

3503
02:31:15,169 --> 02:31:13,109
the right halves or if there's been a

3504
02:31:15,739 --> 02:31:15,179
resurgence of the of the right shall we

3505
02:31:18,019 --> 02:31:15,749
put it that way

3506
02:31:20,179 --> 02:31:18,029
well at least in this country I think

3507
02:31:22,340 --> 02:31:20,189
during the 60s there was a lot of

3508
02:31:26,079 --> 02:31:22,350
right-wing conspiratorial thinking

3509
02:31:28,579 --> 02:31:26,089
related to expansions of consciousness

3510
02:31:31,130 --> 02:31:28,589
psychoactive substances the anti-war

3511
02:31:34,699 --> 02:31:31,140
movement contra poll I mean you could go

3512
02:31:36,439 --> 02:31:34,709
down the list of paranoid conspiracies

3513
02:31:38,779 --> 02:31:36,449
that exist in the minds of Jake Hoover

3514
02:31:40,279 --> 02:31:38,789
Richard Nixon and in the same in England

3515
02:31:42,169 --> 02:31:40,289
I mean you had the same kind of thing

3516
02:31:44,529 --> 02:31:42,179
marrying over there not quite as as

3517
02:31:48,349 --> 02:31:44,539
blatantly you know again these are all

3518
02:31:50,599 --> 02:31:48,359
these are all sort of not particularly

3519
02:31:52,669 --> 02:31:50,609
you know there's a crossover between the

3520
02:31:54,559 --> 02:31:52,679
the public face of this and and the

3521
02:31:56,779 --> 02:31:54,569
actual governmental face and I have a

3522
02:31:58,399 --> 02:31:56,789
question here from technomage and he's

3523
02:32:00,050 --> 02:31:58,409
wondering are conspiracy theories just

3524
02:32:02,090 --> 02:32:00,060
limited to private citizens her

3525
02:32:04,369 --> 02:32:02,100
concurrence engaged them as well we were

3526
02:32:06,169 --> 02:32:04,379
talking about how they can but he gives

3527
02:32:07,789 --> 02:32:06,179
an example governments routinely publish

3528
02:32:10,159 --> 02:32:07,799
information with no independent

3529
02:32:12,459 --> 02:32:10,169
confirmation yet the public is expected

3530
02:32:18,349 --> 02:32:12,469
to believe them with those qualified

3531
02:32:20,239 --> 02:32:18,359
conspiracy theories missing 2.2 trillion

3532
02:32:22,369 --> 02:32:20,249
dollars in the Pentagon announced the

3533
02:32:24,739 --> 02:32:22,379
day before 9/11 there's a conspiracy

3534
02:32:26,809 --> 02:32:24,749
theory port yeah yeah yeah or the fact

3535
02:32:28,969 --> 02:32:26,819
that the BBC wasn't covering the

3536
02:32:31,819 --> 02:32:28,979
protests against David Cameron in London

3537
02:32:34,369 --> 02:32:31,829
last week exactly or the fact that the

3538
02:32:36,169 --> 02:32:34,379
BBC announced that World Trade Center

3539
02:32:38,419 --> 02:32:36,179
number seven was was they had just

3540
02:32:40,279 --> 02:32:38,429
fallen and yet in the image behind the

3541
02:32:42,079 --> 02:32:40,289
reporter there was will trade center

3542
02:32:44,239 --> 02:32:42,089
number seven there are any number of

3543
02:32:46,819 --> 02:32:44,249
cases of this absolutely government's

3544
02:32:49,309 --> 02:32:46,829
indulge in conspiracies a very clear

3545
02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:49,319
example is 9/11 where you've got on two

3546
02:32:54,439 --> 02:32:50,399
sides of the argument

3547
02:32:56,689 --> 02:32:54,449
both sides are conspiracies okay so the

3548
02:32:58,939 --> 02:32:56,699
government did it are al Qaeda did it

3549
02:33:00,889 --> 02:32:58,949
both of those are conspiracies what

3550
02:33:02,929 --> 02:33:00,899
makes something a conspiracy theory

3551
02:33:05,239 --> 02:33:02,939
however is not simply positing a

3552
02:33:08,779 --> 02:33:05,249
conspiracy it has to run counter to

3553
02:33:11,059 --> 02:33:08,789
official logic so for instance in the

3554
02:33:13,909 --> 02:33:11,069
McCarthy era that was a you know

3555
02:33:16,010 --> 02:33:13,919
literally a strong conspiratorial

3556
02:33:17,880 --> 02:33:16,020
narrative a search for this hidden

3557
02:33:20,849 --> 02:33:17,890
malevolent agency in

3558
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:20,859
site America but because it was

3559
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:23,050
supported by the government it was seen

3560
02:33:28,559 --> 02:33:25,840
as legitimate politically legitimate had

3561
02:33:30,300 --> 02:33:28,569
it been being said by people with no

3562
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:30,310
power it would become a conspiracy

3563
02:33:34,769 --> 02:33:32,409
theory this is this is the issue I mean

3564
02:33:36,899 --> 02:33:34,779
a conspiracy theory is not simply any

3565
02:33:39,780 --> 02:33:36,909
idea that there's a that there are

3566
02:33:41,219 --> 02:33:39,790
groups working for secretly towards

3567
02:33:43,710 --> 02:33:41,229
malevolent aims because undoubtedly

3568
02:33:46,380 --> 02:33:43,720
there are what makes their conspiracy

3569
02:33:48,960 --> 02:33:46,390
theories its marginalization by the

3570
02:33:50,760 --> 02:33:48,970
authorities by the ministry it's a very

3571
02:33:52,679 --> 02:33:50,770
nice situation because the moment that

3572
02:33:54,809 --> 02:33:52,689
you prove something to be correct then

3573
02:33:56,939 --> 02:33:54,819
it no longer is a conspiracy theory and

3574
02:33:58,500 --> 02:33:56,949
thus you can never have a conspiracy

3575
02:34:00,450 --> 02:33:58,510
theory that's been proven to be true

3576
02:34:02,189 --> 02:34:00,460
because by its very nature when it gets

3577
02:34:04,349 --> 02:34:02,199
proven to be true and accepted by the

3578
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:04,359
epistemic authorities it's no longer a

3579
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:07,210
conspiracy invent a new one and look at

3580
02:34:12,120 --> 02:34:10,210
the peculiar situation now we're talking

3581
02:34:15,300 --> 02:34:12,130
about Obama conspiracies a very high

3582
02:34:17,670 --> 02:34:15,310
percentage of Republicans believe he was

3583
02:34:19,769 --> 02:34:17,680
not born in the u.s. that he is a secret

3584
02:34:22,410 --> 02:34:19,779
Muslim but they don't mention of course

3585
02:34:24,660 --> 02:34:22,420
Ted Cruz who was not born in the US and

3586
02:34:26,729 --> 02:34:24,670
is running for president on the basis of

3587
02:34:28,889 --> 02:34:26,739
the fact that his mother was and

3588
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:28,899
therefore he is a natural-born citizen

3589
02:34:33,630 --> 02:34:31,840
don't even get me started on that yeah

3590
02:34:36,530 --> 02:34:33,640
there's a new one now that Cruz's father

3591
02:34:39,479 --> 02:34:36,540
was involved in the JFK assassination

3592
02:34:44,010 --> 02:34:39,489
he wants his son to be king of America

3593
02:34:46,370 --> 02:34:44,020
by the way pappi clears it always goes

3594
02:34:49,110 --> 02:34:46,380
back to JFK doesn't it you know it does

3595
02:34:50,639 --> 02:34:49,120
well to say I like the new term now that

3596
02:34:53,519 --> 02:34:50,649
the media is using for people that

3597
02:34:55,500 --> 02:34:53,529
indulge in shall we say conspiratorial

3598
02:34:59,490 --> 02:34:55,510
type thinking now we're known as the

3599
02:35:01,889 --> 02:34:59,500
black helicopter crowd it's slightly

3600
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:01,899
less insulting than the tinfoil hats has

3601
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:05,290
to be said well I asked Kevin Randle

3602
02:35:08,519 --> 02:35:06,640
who's ala copter pilot what do you think

3603
02:35:10,769 --> 02:35:08,529
of all these black helicopter sightings

3604
02:35:12,420 --> 02:35:10,779
and how they become you know mean within

3605
02:35:13,500 --> 02:35:12,430
the coaching goes well what are you

3606
02:35:19,710 --> 02:35:13,510
asking me for you were the one that

3607
02:35:21,929 --> 02:35:19,720
started it oh I got a good laugh out of

3608
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:21,939
that one that's what my favorite bit of

3609
02:35:26,849 --> 02:35:24,399
them you know the film conspiracy theory

3610
02:35:28,889 --> 02:35:26,859
right oh yeah Mel Gibson and Julia

3611
02:35:30,510 --> 02:35:28,899
Roberts absolutely and all the way

3612
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:30,520
through the this story is that they

3613
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:31,690
don't believe him and they

3614
02:35:35,490 --> 02:35:33,730
he's that he's you know the mentally

3615
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:35,500
unstable in some way and then at the

3616
02:35:39,211 --> 02:35:37,450
very end the black helicopters come to

3617
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:39,221
get him and that's when we realized he

3618
02:35:44,761 --> 02:35:41,040
was telling the truth the whole time

3619
02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:44,771
it's a great moment but it marks it

3620
02:35:48,030 --> 02:35:46,450
marks a real shift because that's you

3621
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:48,040
know the first movie where they're

3622
02:35:52,261 --> 02:35:50,290
playing on the idea that obviously he's

3623
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:52,271
insane because he subscribes to

3624
02:35:56,131 --> 02:35:54,160
conspiracies but actually the twist is

3625
02:35:58,350 --> 02:35:56,141
that he was right and we were the fools

3626
02:36:01,140 --> 02:35:58,360
for not believing the villain by the way

3627
02:36:05,581 --> 02:36:01,150
in that movie was Patrick Stewart mm-hmm

3628
02:36:06,661 --> 02:36:05,591
ready bombo's bit his nose off you had

3629
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:06,671
to go through the whole movie with a

3630
02:36:12,841 --> 02:36:11,410
bandage on his face that's a that's a

3631
02:36:14,161 --> 02:36:12,851
nose it's kind of hard to miss if you're

3632
02:36:16,860 --> 02:36:14,171
gonna bite some of these nose off that's

3633
02:36:20,371 --> 02:36:16,870
that's that would be a pretty easy one

3634
02:36:22,921 --> 02:36:20,381
to target seems fairly cruel to hire an

3635
02:36:29,700 --> 02:36:22,931
actor who's famous for his profile and

3636
02:36:31,591 --> 02:36:29,710
then remove that profile right aways hey

3637
02:36:33,421 --> 02:36:31,601
David Robertson please tell our

3638
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:33,431
listeners about the book and where they

3639
02:36:38,791 --> 02:36:35,530
can get a copy if they want to invest

3640
02:36:41,070 --> 02:36:38,801
that much this year okay so the book is

3641
02:36:42,930 --> 02:36:41,080
called UFOs conspiracy theories in the

3642
02:36:44,940 --> 02:36:42,940
New Age subtitled millennial

3643
02:36:47,390 --> 02:36:44,950
conspiracism unless by me david

3644
02:36:50,310 --> 02:36:47,400
robertson published by Bloomsbury and

3645
02:36:52,020 --> 02:36:50,320
available probably not in all good book

3646
02:36:54,211 --> 02:36:52,030
shops were certainly available easily

3647
02:36:56,820 --> 02:36:54,221
through amazon and other online sellers

3648
02:36:59,310 --> 02:36:56,830
as Jean says the current hardback

3649
02:37:01,560 --> 02:36:59,320
edition is rather expensive but there is

3650
02:37:03,390 --> 02:37:01,570
going to be a paperback edition coming

3651
02:37:05,161 --> 02:37:03,400
out next year which will be much more

3652
02:37:07,740 --> 02:37:05,171
affordable probably in the region of

3653
02:37:11,730 --> 02:37:07,750
fifteen or twenty dollars so if you've

3654
02:37:14,730 --> 02:37:11,740
been interested by the chat do look out

3655
02:37:17,881 --> 02:37:14,740
for a copy next year yeah I think that's

3656
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:17,891
that's all we need to know my website I

3657
02:37:24,180 --> 02:37:20,710
do have a website yet David David G

3658
02:37:26,791 --> 02:37:24,190
Robertson wordpress.com there's links to

3659
02:37:31,440 --> 02:37:26,801
this book of my other publications there

3660
02:37:35,551 --> 02:37:31,450
but you can read some journal papers on

3661
02:37:38,820 --> 02:37:35,561
on conspiracy millennialism and people

3662
02:37:40,530 --> 02:37:38,830
like whitley strieber and and and david

3663
02:37:43,470 --> 02:37:40,540
icke there if you're interested and also

3664
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:43,480
i regularly post my reflections on

3665
02:37:48,060 --> 02:37:44,080
current

3666
02:37:51,090 --> 02:37:48,070
kind of popular conspiracy narratives as

3667
02:37:54,030 --> 02:37:51,100
they're happening so yeah do have a look

3668
02:37:56,100 --> 02:37:54,040
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3669
02:37:58,801 --> 02:37:56,110
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3670
02:38:01,380 --> 02:37:58,811
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02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:01,390
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3672
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3673
02:38:11,880 --> 02:38:08,740
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3674
02:38:14,430 --> 02:38:11,890
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3676
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3684
02:38:40,170 --> 02:38:38,290
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3685
02:38:41,580 --> 02:38:40,180
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3686
02:38:54,659 --> 02:38:41,590
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02:39:01,239 --> 02:38:58,209
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3688
02:39:04,109 --> 02:39:01,249
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